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1. Bs ultimate make arcana stack doenst reset at enemy turn, but can only be trigger 1 every ultimate.
   so what if BLACK SWAN use spd shoes& er rope+tingyun+huohuo+kafka.
   kafka can give 2 arcana per skill & ultimate.
   meanwhile black swan have to spam ultimate every turn.
   its that worth it?
   i mean 50arcana stack x 12% its like 600%dot multiplier.
   am i right?

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   • the base damage is 240% with each adding 12 so higher than 600% and I think the overall damage of an er rope would be less if you’re gonna use tingyun and huo huo anyways and spd is best for her anyways and if you enjoy stimulated universe it’ll probably be easier to get her stacks, but honestly I wanna see someone try what you wrote down I think I’d be fun to try if you honestly want to

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2. Pull at your own rick. Shes a bad unit only does DoT and need another mommy character to fully utilize. How can you not see that all she does is look pretty and be a dommy mommy while letting yourself get sucked on by that huge mommy assets. I implroe you dont pull for her unless you know what you are getting into

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   • Joke’s on you, I’m rolling so she (and my Kafka) can step on me.

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   • She’s fine, and works without Kafka just fine as DoTer and debuffer

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   • sorry, flat earther opinion is invalid.

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3. What is the best f2p light cone for Black Swan? Sampo’s “Eyes of prey”? Or the new nihility light cone “It’s Showtime”/GNSW (these 2 seem similar). Are there other options apart from these which are superior?

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   • Damage is great and all, but meeting the EHR requirement matters a lot more, limiting your choices to Eyes of the Prey and Before the Tutorial Mission (if you played early on). Both LCs at S5 gives 40% EHR which is worth about 10 substat rolls. When you consider how much more EHR you need outside of that, it really makes it hard to justify anything else without EHR.

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     • Thanks a lot for answering, it does seem pretty tough having to compromise dmg since BS needs EHR a lot. I’m a newer player so I guess I will have to go with Eyes of Prey then…

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       • That’s not entirely true. Black swan converts EHR into damage amp. At 120%+ EHR she receives 72% damage amp, which worth a full S5 GNASW and should not be overlooked.

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       • Also she has pretty low base chance which means you want high EHR anyway. At 120% EHR her Arcana has 100% success rate against 30% effect res and 85.8% against 40% effect res.

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4. As a Kafka haver who’s looking to improve my DOT teams, which is going to be the bigger increase to damage? Kafka E1, Kafka S1, or Black Swan? I’m just worried about not pulling LC/Kafka Eidolons

   My 4 star DOT units are all pretty well built (Sampo has 2/5/11/12 traces rn)

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   • Kafka’s S1 isn’t a good enough upgrade over GNASW S5 but unlocks many potential for Black Swan when Kafka and Black Swan are the only DoT capable characters in your team.

     Black Swan just go for E0S0 and use Sampo’s relics and light cone and she will be much greater than Sampo in this case.

     My suggestion: Kafka E0S1, Black Swan E0S0 and outright replace Sampo in your team.

     Another suggestion is Kafka E0S0, Black Swan E0S0, and continue to use Sampo as the 3rd member of your team. This build should be insanely great against Wind-weak.

     Kafka’s eidolons add much to her capacity as a DPS assistant but do not significantly change her playstyle.

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5. So here my team Kafka/Black swan/tingyun/houhou..
   is black swan can put wind dot better than sampo? or should i change tingyun with guinafen? im dumb can anyone explain in razor language?

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   • If you have Ruan Mei…use her instead of tingyun

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   • Black swan inflicts less stacks than sampo but her DOT has a higher muliplier than sampo. Black swan provides better debuffs than Guinafen’s debuffs. Tingyun is alright here, however I would reccomend Asta, because her ATK buff can be applied to both Black Swan and Kafka, and her speed buff means you can apply more DOTs with Black swan and trigger DOTs with Kafka and reset her follow up attack more often. Black swan has considerable personal damage in DOT teams. Another option for the 3rd slot is Pela or Silver wolf, since stacking defence shred is very powerful.

     In razor terms: Black swan like sampo and guinafen in one character. Use Asta because she buffs whole party rather than just kafka. Black swan debuffs enemy but also deals big damage. Kafka really wants speed from Asta.

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     • ah isee ty..i dont have ruan mei so im gonna use asta then..

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   • Kafka + BS + Gui/Asta/Ruan + Huohuo, great!

     TY, nope probably she’s for single DPS builds

     BS ≈ 1.8x Sampo + 0.5x Pela

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6. Do we use ERR rope or atk rope for BS when paring with Kafka?

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7. THEY CHANGE THE NAME FOR SACRAMENT??????????

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   • ikr? ;_;

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   • I guess Hoyo initially wanted to lean heavily into the religious motif that is evident in Black Swan’s design. Some of her eidolon names too. Seems to be inspired by Christianity, the church etc.

     But later decided they wanted to switch to the occult or mystical angle as it seems arcana is from the world of tarot cards. Hence the recent web event featuring BS drawing fortune cards for you as well.

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     • In my brain dictionary the word Sacrament is a noun with the following definition: A damage-over-time status condition that deals Wind-type damage every turn start and can also cause splash damage to adjacent targets. Due to my poor vocabulary this is the first time ever I see the word Sacrament and I didn’t detect any religious favor with it.

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8. Easy skip
   Aventurine best IMG preservation DOT character

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   • what does he offer

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     • hothing for dot, idk what he talking about. just preservation stuff

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     • shield and shield and shields

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     • Not DoT that’s for sure

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   • your name says different lol

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   • what? he has dot? f yes then 100% pull

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9. How is the Kafka + BS team comparable in damage to DHIL hyper or Jingliu hyper? Especially against the background of Sparkle’s buff DHIL…
   how does it compare to Seele or JY team?
   Are there any calculations?

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   • in terms of 0 cycle MoC, Kafka + Black Swan is bottom tier compared to DHIL/Jingliu/Seele/JY Hypercarry team. a heavy invested team without a great outcome is what DoT team has become rn.

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     • And in terms of not 0 cycle MoC?

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       • Then it’ll cover your needs just fine
         If you like the DoT team build it, it’ll clear MoC 12 just fine

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     • It’s why I think comparing DoTs to traditional DPS makes no sense when you consider how DoT is missing 1 whole factor in the computation (Crit multiplier). Just the thought of the base 5% CRate and 50% CDmg having no value when they’re worth how many substat rolls…

       The only substats they could build is Atk%, Spd, EHR, and Break Eff. Only Atk% has a direct bearing on damage, the rest are mostly indirect, and Break Eff is a niche that not everyone can really run anyway (aside from Sampo or Luka). Atk% and Dmg% get saturated real fast, so their only avenues are manipulating Def, Res, and Amplification.

       They couldn’t really raise their ability multipliers too much (otherwise what’s the point of being DoT), so they probably could’ve raised their DoT multipliers but… in the end, that can only do so much. They will still be hindered by DoT being largely reliant on enemies taking turns. 🤷‍♂️

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     • lol this is just categorically and objectively wrong. At high investment DoT teams now are matching/surpassing some hypercarries from CN calcs and in-game testing. That’ll only be inflated with BS. Stop making stuff up.

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10. obviously kafka and black swan will work well together, but out of curiosity who will be better without the other in a dot team comp?

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    • probably black swan and here is why:

      Kafka depends on the amount of DoT debuffs to deals DMG, so she will work if you have at least a Sampo or a Guinaifen

      Black Swan can apply DoT and causes DMG by herself

      I’m not saying that Kafka is bad, she’s just a unit that works in specific scenarios

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      • Uhh… I can’t say I agree with your assessment, for multiple reasons.

        For one I think you’re not exactly answering the question. Unless hydra means something else they are asking specifically, “who will be better without the other *in* a dot team comp” meaning between the two who would perform better, essentially…

        You seem to answering the question “Between Kafka and Black Swan, which unit performs better regardless of team” as you’re argument is saying that Black Swan is “self sufficient” (my words interpreting what you said) who, “can apply DoT and causes DMG by herself” (your exact words) which while true… is something Kafka can do as well… I’d argue (at this time) that Kafka can do it better than Black Swan in a solo damage setting… So that just seems wrong to me, period.

        Kafka is already out and we have multiple videos/data that show her being able to “hypercarry” or be a self-sufficient damage unit. Yes, Kafka performs better with DoT units but I absolutely believe Black Swan will be the same way, if not MORE reliant (than Kafka) on DoT units… I mean looking at her kit she just has lower numbers across the board that seems to indicate she needs to “ramp up” her damage by getting more Arcana stacks (which other DoT units help out a ton) meanwhile on Kafka’s end she has a guaranteed 3 turn ult which provides loads of damage and a damaging Follow-up Attack which procs consistently, while also applying her huge DoT.

        To actually answer your question hydra, I would say as of now Kafka is “better” than Black Swan, between the two. In a DoT comp (your question) Kafka is able to blow up ally DoTs without any extra steps, so long as the ally went before Kafka to apply their own DoT. Black Swan in a DoT comp requires her ultimate to allow her ally DoT units to synergize with Arcana stacks, except maybe Sampo (word is that Black Swans special Arcana DoT counts as Wind Sheer so Sampo may be able to synergize with or without Ultimate from Black Swan)

        Anyway, hope it’s not too confusing but to keep it simple, Black Swan (again, as of now) seems to rely much more on other DoT units than Kafka while Kafka works well with DoT units or without. Both are great units still!

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        • i aint reading allat but i agree with u

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        • Havent seen such an essay that doesnt understand how BS works in a long time, fam u couldnt be more wrong

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          • You can’t provide how I’m wrong? Crazy. I wanna give you the benefit of the doubt and say you’re not trolling which is why I’m responding to you but I have a feeling you actually have no idea how she works, heh.

          • Well, can you explain why he’s wrong?

          • For whatever reason none of what I’ve typed as a response has shown up.

            This is my 3rd and last attempt but simply put I already explained why I believed he was incorrect and if you understood Black Swan’s kit you would understand where I’m coming from. I don’t believe you do understand and seeing as you’re the one accusing me of not understanding her Kit it would be better for you to tell me how he is right and I am wrong. If I’m wrong I have no problem admitting this but chances are I’d have to educate you…

    • def kafka when she can force dots and black swan cant

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    • I think both have roughly the same value. Kafka frontloads the damage while Black Swan buffs and backloads it. Black Swan technically deals more damage, but you have to wait for the enemy to move, which can be detrimental at times. If I were to be forced to choose, I’d go with Black Swan just because Guinaifen and Luka can help frontload the damage.

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    • id say kafka, altho more dot more damage, but since kafka can trigger her dot 2-4? times before enemies turn. that much is obvious.

      while black swan. you really want to increase her stacks as much as you can before enemies turn. so another dot or two is recommended.

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    • Kafka. She can independently proc DoT while BS depends on the enemy’s move….

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    • If by “better without the other” you mean who suffers less not having the other in their team, then I’d say Kafka due to her flexibility, or rather she’s less fussy about meeting “optimal” conditions. BS on the other hand will thrive in 3+ enemy fights, and so long as her team can contribute to stacks. She doesn’t *need* high stack counts, but you want to hit at least 7 stacks on the Boss, and 3 stacks on everyone else.

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    • Because Kafka act as a hybrid dps Bronya for the DoT team, Kafka have the option to borrowing any of the 4 elements strength from her allies by detonating their dot.

      Black Swan role is to applying very strong DoT on foes, but on the condition that allies detonating foes DoT as often as possible, and no one doing the job better than “Detonator Kafka” being her signature move, chance are future DoT unit that excel at detonating are not likely to happen anytime soon.

      So, my vote are also Kafka being the better one without other.

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