334 responses to “{RUBY_B#フゲン}符玄{RUBY_E#}”

1. why don’t you include the ultimate cost of each character? you include the break value yet the value for the ultimate cost is nowhere to be seen.

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   • The ultimate cost? You mean the required energy? Check the stats page. Right after taunt value.

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     • tysm! i was searching energy costs separately bc I couldn’t find it.
       Also 135 is a lot

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   • strong buff here…
     i guess they finally choose to put her bulk on top of everything
     the little damage nerf doesnt mean that much since she don’t even need defense set pieces now + she have more HP too

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2. I’m really not so confident of her survival rate after big AoE attacks.

   Looking at how much bosses can do with big AoE attacks which can be higher than 3k per character. If we take one of those attacks even if Fu is at 100% HP (Doubtful.) and even if you go Hp%4x on all relics and get to around 9k HP (Doubtful.) there is still a solid chance she just outright dies from a single big AoE attack.

   Ok, lets say the boss uses the big attack and deals 3k to all 4 characters. Fu reduces all damage from the team by 12% at level 10 talent. Which means everyone takes 2640 damage. Fu now takes 70% of that damage 3x from all team mates which equals to 5544 total damage but then you have to add on her own unmitigated damage which is still 2640 which comes to a grant total of 8184. Which means that if you even have one off piece, maybe speed shoes, energy recharge rope. Fu can just outright die from a big AoE attack that deals 3k. This is really bad considering the strongest boss AoE currently is 4k. Which means if you take that, no matter how much HP your Fu has she’s just probably outright dead no matter what you do. Even her E2 can only save her from 1 of them.

   With all this in mind, it’s got me wondering if she’s even going to be any good against the hardest enemies in the game. Like sure against enemies that don’t have big AoE hitting attacks they’ll be no problem with Fu, but honestly, who’s having issues with them right now anyway?

   This isn’t even in mirror, i’m just talking open world here.

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   • Now enlighten me which open world enemy is dealing more than 3k per character with an AoE.

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   • “This isn’t even in mirror, i’m just talking open world here” – tell us what kind of enemies are in the open world that inflict 3k AoE dmg on you.

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     • The Ebon Deer can do around 4k damage on it’s ult if all Arbor Branches are on the field. My Seele has 3200 HP and had a fire MC shield and died as did my SW.

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       • I’m pretty sure you can prevent that attack by killing the golden trees.
         And even so you are ignoring the fact that you can just slot in damage reduction 2 piece or Light cone on Fu.
         I am also not sure if the apportioned damage does’t get mitigated by Fu as well, as it would make sense since she’s the one taking damage in the end, no?

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       • The average HP of most dps-dealer is 3k. According to your logic, even with Loucha, the whole team should just die against Ebon Deer from oneshoot.

         Also, it’s still interesting how often do you meet your imaginary 4k Ebon Deer in the open world?
         My Seele has only 3051 HP, but she survived the maximum ED hit in the MoC, strange right? The same goes for other players. You’re talking about some mythical boss in the open world hitting 4k, which only you have seen.

         Your Seele already had a low % HP when she was hit, that’s why she died.

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         • You were lucky that’s all, if he got the dual attack buff and full branches, yes, he, in fact, go as high as 4.5k, he’s right on that point.

           But, in reality, you never let it happen or he launches his nuke with like 1 branch dealing like 2k max.

       • yeah but thats not an overworld enemy thats a boss lmao theyre supposed to do that

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       • Ebon deer isn’t open world, and let’s not even talk about the one in SU, SU makes everything a joke, getting nuked there is a you problem.

         The only real one that poses a threat is the MoC at lvl 85 or 90, and yes, if you let it happen, the nuke can go as far as 4k.

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         • I let it happen to see how much it did, but my point by bringing this up is that future bosses won’t be so easy to avoid. Bringing in a tank is almost going to be mandatory. Gepard can help the team easily tank a 4k HP nuke./ But Fu won’t be able too, that’s all i’m trying to say.

           People being mean with their names or whatever can grow up. I brought up a good point, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you have to insult me. Fu won’t help you tank that kinda damage, but other tanks can. As a result, is Fu actually that good of a tank? Gepard > Fu as of right now and it’s not even close.

         • Oh, I think I’ve heard this story before. If you go to the Loucha section, you will see doomposts there saying that Bailu > Loucha, because Loucha will build Atk, not HP, and die from oneshoot and that Bailu reduces incoming damage by 10%, so it is better for solo-sustain… strange, where did all these doomposts go after the release of Loucha?

           P.S. This comment is not for you Shizko, but for Worried, who says “Gepard > Fu as of right now and it’s not even close”. Just HH does not allow to continue the overgrown branch of the dialogue.

         • I was a massive Loucha hype machine telling everyone how broken he’d be because i did the math, just like i am doing now. I was telling everyone how his passive healing would be as high as a skill from Bailu and that his solo sustain will be unmatched for a very long time.

           This isn’t a doom post at all. i’ve been waiting for Fu all this time for my quantum mono build and was hyped by the leaks that were released ages ago. But i expected some kind of nuke stopper to stop the very thing i’m afraid of.

           In the case of solo sustain arguments can be made for both Gepard and Fu but because Fu adds a little bit of healing with her she probably overall wins out despite the fact they still actually take damage where with Gepard they don’t. But as of tanking those huge hits, yes, Gepard is way ahead of Fu because Fu can’t do it while Gepard can and he can do it easily.

           Same as above.

         • @ Worried.
           I’m late but this comment makes me kinda angry because it’s just wrong I think you are a loucha fanboy and I think you think he gets powercreeped but let me tell you this.. he cannot prevent chars for being oneshottet or buff other chars and I did the math too but for me the sustainability somehow works for fu xuan?! and that’s okay because loucha also does a bit of dmg, breaks shields better and has more cc. both work in a different ways and fu xuan > gepard by far. with gepard you even need a healer when you take too much dmg because noone heals when your shield breaks so how can he sustain a team when you get 4k nukes? fu xuan can reach hp values above 8k with her weapon and when you struggle to survive you can use wuthering snow so she gets instead of 82% direct dmg only 74% direct dmg (not distribed dmg) what is a dmg decrease of 10% + 8% healing and a bit energy apart from this when all party members get 4k you do sth wrong anyways and no char can prevent you from dying. not gepard, not loucha, not fu xuan.

   • She will definitely get some random defense plus base defense. It’s not really a game changer, but still…

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   • My seele and Jingyuan have like 3k3 HP, they would be dedge right away lol, and I dont have gep too, which boss do 3-4k aoe you talking about? done moc10 multiple times and most of the time they are killed before doing anything

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     • I already answered this. The Ebon Deer can do around 4k damage on it’s ult if all Arbor Branches are on the field and this isn’t just about the current content but the future content that will become a lot harder. Big AoE boss attacks are only going to become stronger and more common. I guarantee by this point next year there will be a boss enemy that ults every turn and does just as much as the Ebon Deer can do. Sure you can completely stop the Ebon Deer from getting it’s AoE off or even weaken it before it goes off. But that won’t be the same for every future boss.

       I really hoped Fu would have a trace that would stop one hit KO’s if she was above a certain amount of HP but sadly that’s not the case. (Before changes Luocha had a trace that stopped him from being KO’d if he was above 70% of HP. I had hoped it got removed from him because they were going to give it to Fu instead. But nope. :c)

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     • Ebon deer with full branches (also assume full buffs from branches) can go as far as 4k~4k5 but in reality, if you let it happen, it’s a missplay on your part

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   • There aren’t any enemies in the open world that could do that much damage even at TL 65+.

     And even assuming there is, most teams can’t really face 3k AoE comfortably, Gepard will just lose by battle of attrition and would wound up being the surviving unit.

     Even so, if you are still worried, you could just slap more HP, use 4pc Wuthering snow or 2 of that plus 2pc Longevous, give her Texture LC from herta shop for shield and more damage reduction.

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     • Gepards shield can go over 3k alone. So he’ll help your entire team tank a 3k HP nuke without taking a single bit of damage and if you manage him right he can have a shield up 24/7.

       But yes, i will be doing everything apart from speed shoes to increase her HP/Tanking ability as well as having HP shoes in the back just in case. But still, i find it funny people in here talking about a max DPS Fu which will have like 4k HP and thinking she’ll survive just fine.

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       • I’m building Fu Xuan as a DPS, and I don’t even know how you could end up with only 4k HP, Right now, I’m sitting at 8K Hp, 48.8 Quantum, 94Cr, 185CD (E1 included) Genius-Salsotto 1000 def (0.5 Multiplier for 1000 def)
         Basic attack hits for 9k average while ultimate is sitting at 31k ST average (95k with E6).

         Now let’s calculate the damage she should take in 4k AoE nuke from Ebon :

         70% redirection
         4000x3x0.7 = 8400

         Mitigation :
         (8400+4000)x(0.5×0.88) = 5456 damages (With the 8% set, that’s 5456×0.92 = 5019.52 = ~5020 Is it worth? Not really, she can’t even proc the secondary cure effect)

         What her teammate take assuming 900 def, so 0.55 multiplier :
         (4000×0.3)x(0.55×0.88) = 580.8 = ~581 damages

         Ebon can’t nuke every turn since he needs a full turn to re-summon everything again, and even then, branches takes 2 turn to actually go off.

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         • The 4k damage it can do is after counting defences, not before. You’re pretty much counting defence twice. A 3k nuke (after defences.) would kill your Fu.

           70% redirection
           3000x3x0.7 = 6300

           (6300+3000)x(1×0.88) = 8184. Your 8k HP Fu dies instantly.

           Allies take 792 damage so as long as they can finish off, it kinda works i guess but if they can’t you’re screwed.

         • Lvl 90 Ebon Deer has 663 Atk, double buffs from branches, that’s 40% atk, Deer is sitting at 663×1.4 = 928.4 Atk

           His ultimate has a 350% scaling and 25% additive per branch, that’s 450% scaling 928.4 x 450% = 4176.9 max theoretical damage per target.

           So no, my calculation was right and it’s still before mitigation.

   • One big thing you’re overlooking is that you are comparing damage being received by a squishy low-def dps and assume that damage will be the number that Fu Xuan takes. The way it works is that the percentage that Fu receives at the end is mitigated by her own defense. A gepard wont get a 4k hit if a seele does. And Fu, although not building def primarily, wont either.
     Will there be situations where she’s low on like 60% and then gets a big hit and could die? Probably, but to say that any AoE will endanger her is just ridiculous. Its more likely to just be a few unlucky turns where the big boss hits last after all the trash so her heal doesnt trigger.

     Also i have yet to encounter a lv 80 dps getting oneshot without a shield while being at 80% hp, so i dont know what enemies you’re facing. Maybe youre using level 1 light cones? I never bring a shielder with me, just healers, and sure, Bailu has 10% dmg reduction, but my natasha doesnt

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     • i agree with you but just wanna say that fu xuan has the exact same amount of Def than Seele.

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     • Shizko has backed me when it comes to the 4k hit from the Ebon Deer. But that is just a current example and an easy to avoid one.

       Also are you sure Fu’s own defence and damage red effects the damage she’s taking from another char? Coz the way it sounds to me is that the damage calculation is done on the attacked char, and then 70% of that damage number transfers directly to Fu and her def and damage red does nothing to mitigate it. If i am wrong please show me the leak or at least quote it because i’ve not seen it.

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       • You haven’t even tried to watch the abilities of the characters you’re discussing, have you? The mechanics of her ability were leaked 2 weeks ago wherever possible:
         https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/157udz9/matrix_of_prescience_mitigation_maths/

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         • Not leaked in the discord i’m in. But thank you for sharing. Nice to know the 8% damage red from the set effect will always apply. Now if only she can get a def buff. But that’s still only one thing, but the fact it will negate a whole 8% of the 8.1k i stated in the OP is a nice added effect.

         • To Worried
           You got your wish, her base def was almost doubled and is now the 2nd highest in the game.
           She was good enough before but now I’m seriously considering getting her for Blade (was originally just going to go for lynx)

3. tried some calc

   lvl 90 all relevant traces maxed.
   S1 LC + E1
   4pc Long Longevous + 2pc Inert Salsotto
   Mainstats: HP/ATK/CritDmG/HP% – Quantum/HP%
   Substats: Somewhere around 20% hp, 9 crit rate, 18 critdmg. Others, trash.

   I Got the ff stats after skill and relic effect activation:

   7,603 HP
   48% Quantum
   112% ER
   69 Crit Rate, 158% crit dmg
   bonus 15% Ultimate dmg from Inert Salsotto

   Would this be all right? or should I go with just more HP? Do I go for more ER?

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4. wow she’s shaping up to be the Zhongli of HSR (except that her Ult actually does damage)
   near unbreakable defense + respectable DMG + teambuff

   also that new CC res makes Blade potential very broken against every Dot enemies since she no longer dispels Dots

   Blade and Seele going to gain alot from her banner. her E alone buffs Blade damage by some 10% and his spare Skill points for more Ult dmg.

   Seele gains a new broken Quantumn unit with Aoe nuff said

   Jing Yuan again gets the shortest end of the stick, there’s no synergy other than the generic that I can think of.

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   • In fact, she just a must have for Jing Yuan – if he’s in Crowd Control, then his LL just skips a turn and does no damage, lol.
     Of course, this does not make JY competitive relative to the other 5*, but at least she solves one of the most unpleasant problems in his kit

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     • I find it really funny that Fu can just eat 65% of a whole team nuke and then pretty much full heal as if it didn’t happen

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5. Changes:
   – Energy generation has been reduced from 40 to 20, but instead the Matrix is now completed at the end, not at the beginning of the turn. Oddly enough, this is a buff – now Fu can use the rotation of EAAE and, as a result, maintaining Matrix 100% uptime while remaining SP positive.
   – Auto now has HP scales instead of Atk. Undoubtedly buff, but it’s strange that its scales are 2 times lower than Lynx.
   – Heal increased from 85% to 90%.
   – Debuff protection has been replaced with CC protection, which means that Crowd Control will no longer be accidentally spent on DoT protection from some minion.
   – E1 nerf from 30% CD to 25% CD.
   – E6 nerf from 300% to 200%

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   • Damn E6 got absolutely destroyed, You could hit 250k before, but now you don’t get past 125k, that double nerf (300 > 200 ; 200 > 120) on the scaling really toned it down a lot, that’s a shame.

     At 8k HP, 48.8% Quantum, 90Cr-210CD, SW Full debuff, level 7 auto, hit on average 9k, hopefully it gets buff a little because this is really too low.

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     • You’re not getting that much HP with those crit stats and quantum damage. Even with perfect rolls. 8k HP will require 3x HP pieces.

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       • No, you don’t need 3xHp piece, with her LC you get 24% HP so just a little HP% substats and it’s all good.

         Here’s my E6 calc if you want to see for yourself that’s its actually possible.

         https://ibb.co/XVhJrvD

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         • Can you share which calculator you used?

         • How is that HP possible? Your HP+ and flat bonus’s only get you up to 6800 or am i missing something? Are you applying Fu’s own and Lynx’s HP buffs on top of it? I wasn’t really counting them when i said you need 3HP% pieces to reach 8k.

         • @Plz Maybe you forgot to add 18% from traces (~400hp) and her own buff at lvl 12 (594Hp) and the calc seems really on point since I used it for other character and it was on par with the in-game stats, and your calc was on point without traces and skill (6790Hp)

           Lynx isn’t in the party, it’s a Clara-SW-Seele-Fu one.

         • I… always forget traces… it’s a bad habit. I gotcha. From the calc i’d suggest the second set up, better crit ratio 1/2 and a little bit more tanky which never hurts on a tank.

       • Sure I can share : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zyPlqI8Y9uNPfhQ1pRL_BFzlzONV11Bl2k7Y4VdnZ0E/edit#gid=8086212

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         • Thank you!

6. what do you think the priority is? E1 or E0 + light cone?

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   • Lightcone, it’s buffs to Fu Xuan are a lot better than just 30 Crt. DMG.

     It’s just better.

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   • E1 is a huge buff for any team except DoT. You get solo-sustain, which also gives the team a 30 crit dmg + 12 crit rate.
     Fu Xuan is perfectly solo-sustain in MoC 10 with Herta LC, she doesn’t need sign lc.

     Don’t listen to Mimimi – this dude doesn’t even know how Fu Xuan kit works and continues to spread misinformation, such as his words that her talent only works 2 times per fight. But at the same time gives advice to others, bruh.

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     • You also have to account the lower chances and higher pity. Depending on how many pulls you have, the LC is better to go for since you’re much more likely to get it. I think i’ll get Fu then her LC since i am already 31 pity into LC banner so i should get it in 30 to 40 pulls while another copy of Fu with my luck will most likely cost me 150.

       But yes, Fu can get her talent off as many times as you ult +1.

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   • e1 better for offence. lightcone better for defence. with lc you don’t need energy recharge (after skill na->na->skill->ult what gives 20+20+30+40+5=115*1,12[from weapon]=128.8 energy so one hit or kill and you get your ult back) and instead you go for hp% and it gives more base hp + extra hp% then 4* what means more heal and more survivability for fu xuan. I would go for lc because with the right team you should have enought dmg already.

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   • not to mention weapons are esiert to pull

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   • E1 30% CRDMG looks good but it can have diminishing returns over time. and only buff Crit DMG
     a maxxed out Blade with 88CR/200CRDMG for example will gain 10% more damage from running with E1 Fu Xuan over E0
     BUT since the 10% CRDMG ornament set exists , most team now run at least 1 even 3-4 of this set, lowering the value of FX’s E1.

     meanwhile the LC already provides a flat 9% more team DMG, all kinds of DMG including DoTs,non-crit, Break Effect dmg etc along with all other defensive utility goodies.

     overall the LC provides competitive DMG buff while being far more universal than E1, costs less and potentially usable on other chars.
     E1 provides a few % more DMG on some teams and worse DMG on some others.

     only case I think E1 is worth a try over LC is when you have Blade and got very close to E6 Lynx after getting FX E0

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   • I’m not a tester, only seen leaked gameplay on reddit, didn’t make any spreadsheets for this, so I may be wrong but…

     I think LC is overall better. Even if we ignore the passive (which is nice) it offers HP and ER stats which you won’t find on any other Preservation LC. And having them on the LC means you can be more flexible with your relics. Ex. you could go with an HP% rope and swap out an HP% chest or boots for Crit or SPD respectively.
     And if we consider the healing passive as well, it makes it easier for Fu Xuan to solo sustain your team even in the hardest content which makes your team-building more flexible too.

     You can replicate the E1 buff by just having 3 Broken Keels on your team. I think that’s a realistic scenario since so many supports want it. Of course having +25% on top of all your Keels is still a nice buff, but at that point your crit DMG is probably starting to feel diminishing returns (esp if you’re also running Bronya or Yukong supports).

     * All STC if they decide to tweak numbers again before release
     ** Also, neither LC nor E1 feel strictly necessary. So far she looks perfectly solid at E0 with whatever LC you want to put on her (Day One Of My New Life seems good for team sustain and Herta shop LC probably good for personal survivability if you need it). Any extra investment on top of E0 adds bonus comfort which you may not even notice after your relics outstat all the content

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7. What’s her best relics?

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   • hard to say.

     If you want to go offensive
     4 pc Longevous Disciple + Inert Salsotto/Broken Keel

     If you want to stay defensive
     -If you have her LC
     2pc Longevous + 2pc Guard of Wuthering Snow + Sprightly Vonwacq/Broken Keel
     -If you don’t have her LC
     4pc Guard of Wuthering Snow + Sprightly Vonwacq/Broken Keel

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     • what about the main stats?

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   • Longeveus Disciple: Sub-dps

     LD + Guard of Wuthering Snow: Deffensive suportt

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   • if you don’t plan to go for e6 aka playing her more offensive:
     for main stat: go for outgoing healing, spd, hp, hp or energy recharge if you don’t have her lc. for sets go for “Fleet of the Ageless” what gives 8% bonus atk for everyone and extra hp for herself=more heal=more survivability for fu xuan, 2p “Passerby of Wandering Cloud” and 2p “Longevous Disciple” for again more healing or “Guard of Wuthering Snow” if your fu xuan has problems to survive.
     for substats: spd>=hp%->flat hp. (more spd=more healing and more skill points because in 3 turns she regenerates 1 energy when you go for na->na->skill->ult(do ult earlier if you can but at this point it should be ready again)->repeat so she has a positive skill point regeneration.

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8. Hoyoverse really did their math with her ult cost.
   A skill->auto attack->auto attack rotation brings her to 115 energy, and with an energy recharge piece of 19% to her exact goal of a little over 135.

   Question is if the damage transfer from her talent also triggers the energy regeneration from damage. If yes, then you wouldn’t even need the ER piece, most likely. But I doubt it will work this way.

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   • Pretty sure it’s a no since E4 exist, at E4 she basically only needs her lightcone to have ult almost every 2 rotation.

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9. Can she foretell the movement of my.. heart

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10. She doesn’t even feel like a Preservation character based on her kit but more like a Harmony…

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    • Literally WHAT?

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    • Her main draw is taking 70% of the dmg off the team, so you couldnt be more off with your comment.

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    • with E1 she is Erudition as well. Erudition is being taken over.

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      • erudiion is a straight aoe dmg dealer so no. she doesn’t do that untill e6. e1 is even more harmony but I guess you got confused with the paths somehow?!

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    • She’s also lowkey an Abundance, she self heals at ton & a lil’ bit of heal on the whole party with her ult.

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