201 responses to “Phainon”

1. If you’re wondering if you should pull for meta value. Don’t. I pulled E2S1 and here is my feedback :

   – At this level of investment (E2S1) he is still underwhelming. You can only do 1 cycle on his most broken shilled MoC buffs.
   – He is super clunky and to be fair he is not enjoyable to play. I kicked him off my team on overworld, and DU.
   – He doesn’t allow many team comp. It’s basically Phainon, harmony, harmony, harmony. You can replace a harmony unit by a sustain but then he will falls off HARD.
   – At E0, he is not good at all on PF, and mid in APOC.
   – When you won’t be able to finish the fight within 2 ult, you will need to replace one of your harmony unit and replace it by a sustain unit, which will decrease even more his damage output.
   – Because he massively overcaps on dmg amp bonus (atk%, dmg%, crit dmg%), his future potential is doomed and he will be powercrept very quickly. The only way to amp his damage output efficiently is using a debuffer (def shred, RES PEN, vulnerability) but as of now only nihility units can provide this, but they won’t be able to AA nor provide him coreflame to activate his ult.
   – On a good note he has excellent animations.

   I got him E2S1 in 200 pulls and I still feel scammed. If I could go back I wouldn’t have pulled for him.

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   • when im in a spreding missinformation contest and my oponent is dong dong

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   • 0 cycle require advance not brainless gameplay duh, my E0S1 Phainon clear current MOC 12 within 1 cycle only using RMC, E0S5DDD Sparkle, and E1S1 Bronya. I don’t even have Sunday nor his LC

     Also it took me 219 pull for E0S1 Phainon, so at least be grateful. I’m in top 1% of Unluckiest HSR Player (i need 140 pull for 1 limited char in average meanwhile 120 for LC) as low budget player yet i never felt scammed except for Sparkle bc she’s blatantly powercreeped left and right by fraud sibling.

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   • What in skill issue is this, E2S1 Phainon can’t even 0 cyle current MOC? lmao. Anyway you don’t need to 0 cyle tho, most of E2S1 DPS can’t even clear in 3 cyle using 3 cost team-mate.

     Remember ppl often overhype Acheron, but before Jiaoqiu she’s pretty much clear the same cycle in MOC as Dr Ratio, Jingliu, or even Seele within the same investment.

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   • – Holy, E2S1 can only do 1 cycle clear? What’s your teamcomp babe? My E2S1 Phainon with subpar relics and very mid rutilant planars clear in 0 cycle with plenty of time left and it’s my first time ever doing 0 cycle lmao, the closest before is my E0S1 Mydei. Anyways Phainon’s stats is: 136 SPD/2.5k Att/82:156 crit (-1 SPD setup), his team is E0S1 Sunday, E1S0 Bronya, and E0S0 RM.
     – Neutral here. I played him in DU so many times and he’s just not that good taking advantage of the equations and blessings. Beside that… idk why you still pulled him until E2S1 even, when you find him not enjoyable. Like there’s a trial character you know.
     – As if any other character has many teamcomps? Huh? Acheron with JQ/SW/Chiper/Aventurine/Galagher, Feixiao with the infamous FART and FARC, Mydei with Tribbie and Sunday/Sparkle/RMC, FF with Fugue/Lingsha/RM? Hello are we playing the same game here? You could play him with a sustain, E0S0 Huohuo just fine regenerating 3 Coreflames (my DU teams lol cuz running 3 harmony is just too risky), arguably much comfier to play but agree the damage falls off pretty substantially though it’s barely noticeable.
     – I never actually tested it at E0 but considering that at E2 he’s in PF could comfortably do meteor in EVERY fkng TURN and even could do one rotation ult even without his Final Hit getting its turn, then yeah E0 probably subpar but then again isn’t Acheron struggling in PF before JQ? Idk, it must have been the wind. Also about AS, what criteria are you considering a unit is a mid? For me at least clearing 1.8k is excellently well serve, 1.5k is good, 1.3k+ is bare minimum. Again never had a chance to test it at E0 but at E2 with RM he clears at 1,840+ and if I replace RM with Huohuo he clears at 1,800+ it’s basically the same lol as long as it clear and both teams clears comfortably unless you want to achieve the impossible 2k clear, good luck with that.
     – Sustain problem. Same argument with the other. Use Huohuo if you have her, else run with other sustain if NECESSARY.
     – Yes I actually need to agree on this one. He’s basically just another JL if she’s an emanator lol. But eh looking over to his current best team I think there’s still a lot of room for improvement. You know there’s Tribbie that with half-nihility and with a crumble of Erudition kit, let it shimmer a bit there’s always a room for improvement. Yes I’m one of many OG E0S0 JY haver, having a complete opposite mentality of that Acherons main are a blessing in disguise.
     – Yes animation and eargasm made me want to just spam the meteor attacks lol.

     I got him E2S1 in also 200 pulls. Do I feel scammed? A bit when I find that I completely struggled in DU trying to advance level 7 to 8 like that stage is completely on different level than that MOC/AS/PF alike. But a lot of tries later I find something that the most broken thing he could do in DU abusing Blazar and Hunts blessing turn advance, since Blazars count’s keep going up in his ult and Hunts blessing basically keeping enemies on his current AV as long you can break or kill them. Anyways enough yapping.

     Do I regret? No cuz he’s literally my first unit that I have that is on highest level of vertical investment lmaoo. Yes others that are LUCKY capped at E0S1 or my only lucky pull with E1 Argenti in 1.5. So there folks you have different POV whether to pull Phainon or not 🙂

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   • Holy shit Dong Dong, your brain must be the size of your dong dong (small) if you can’t 0 cycle with E2S1 LMAO. Get good nerd

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   • poor guy, hes very wrong but i still feel bad for him

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2. Here we go again smth, it’s always male chars get butchered kit! Just like the other said: He’s the most vulnerable to powercrept.
   So much resriction that made him only viable in Hypercarry set-up meanwhile we know that every top meta team always consist of multiple damage dealer like:

   – In Acheron team we had Jiaoqiu + Sw offering offensive skill & ult which is worth more than 600% multiplier aoe dmg combined
   – Firefly with everyone on her team giving significant dmg contribution
   – March 7th or Cypher on Feixiao team
   – The most powecreep char with the most boring design which is non other than Castorice

   On top of that he’s very slow, sp negative, and get trash eidolon!
   That’s why i was hoping they would buff phainon but instead got nerfed, the Misandry behavior of HSR devs really needs to be studied at this point.

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3. Here we go again smth, it’s always male chars get butchered kit! Just like the other said: He’s the most vulnerable to powercrept.
   So much resriction that made him only viable in Hypercarry set-up meanwhile we know that every top meta team always consist of multiple damage dealer like:

   – In Acheron team we had Jiaoqiu + Sw offering offensive skill & ult which is worth more than 600% multiplier aoe dmg combined
   – Firefly with everyone on her team giving significant dmg contribution
   – March 7th or Cipher on Feixiao team
   – The most powecreep char with the most boring design which is non other than Castorice

   That’s why i was hoping they would buff phainon but instead got nerfed, the Misandry behavior of HSR devs really needs to be studied at this point.

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4. FIREFLY 2.0

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5. is Phainon Yukong Tingyun Sunday a viable team? Yukong buffs wont expire when Phainon is in his ult so combined with Sunday + Tingyun you get a good amount of free Atk% crit + crit damage. Tingyun is probaly best holder for DDD in this team. Please correct me if i am wrong

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   • There was a 0 cycle video out there using that team but RMC instead of Tingyun. So it’s probably a good team.

     But just remember because of buff uptime + energy issues Yukong falls off a lot if you can’t finish the fight in one transformation.

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   • sadly yukong doesnt give phainon any stacks because of how her dumbass kit works so your ult uptime will be an issue. it will be either 0/1 cycle in a single ult or barely clear if you dont

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6. when his ults in effect I see that all actions conducted by him are considered as extra turns. in stages like moc, pf and as does this consider that by the time this ult ends 0 action value is progressed? or does it just yeet ur team mates, slow down ur turns and have everything else work the same? am I missing something here

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   • During his ult he will have countdown timers, which when reached gives him an extra turn. Said timers have SPD 60% of Phainon’s base SPD (which at E0S0 gives them 56 SPD) and initial AV randomly between 0~100%. Meaning if you are insanely lucky, Phainon gets to act all 8 times with no AV progress; and with the worst luck possible, Phainon gets to act about once every other cycle. Normally it should be somewhere in between. They are considered extra turns so his buffs won’t decay.

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