 | Concepts | Firefly |
| Rarity |  | |
| Path |  Destruction | |
| Combat Types |  Fire | |
| Character Materials |  308K 15 15 65 15 | |
| Trace Materials | 3M 1841 6956 13958 12 8 | |
| Story | A member of the Stellaron Hunters, clad in a set of mechanized armor known as “SAM.” Her character is marked by unwavering loyalty and steely resolve. Engineered as a weapon against the Swarm, she experiences accelerated growth, but a tragically shortened lifespan. She joined the Stellaron Hunters in a quest for a chance at “life,” seeking to defy her fated demise. |
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Stats
| Level | ATK | DEF | HP | SPD | CRIT Rate | CRIT DMG | Taunt | Energy | Character Materials |
| 1 | 71.28 | 105.6 | 111 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | |
| 20 | 139 | 205.92 | 216 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | 40005 |
| 20+ | 167.51 | 248.16 | 261 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | |
| 30 | 203.15 | 300.96 | 316 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | 800010 |
| 30+ | 231.66 | 343.2 | 360 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | |
| 40 | 267.3 | 396 | 416 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | 1600063 |
| 40+ | 295.81 | 438.24 | 460 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | |
| 50 | 331.45 | 491.04 | 516 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | 4000097 |
| 50+ | 359.96 | 533.28 | 560 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | |
| 60 | 395.6 | 586.08 | 615 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | 80000620 |
| 60+ | 424.12 | 628.32 | 660 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | |
| 70 | 459.76 | 681.12 | 715 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | 160K935 |
| 70+ | 488.27 | 723.36 | 760 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 | |
| 80 | 523.91 | 776.16 | 815 | 104 | 5% | 50% | 125 | 240 |
Skill
 | Order: Flare Propulsion - Basic ATK | Single Target |
| Energy Regeneration : 20 | |
| Weakness Break : Single Target : 30 | |
| Deals Fire DMG equal to Deals minor Fire DMG to a single enemy. | |
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 | Order: Aerial Bombardment - Skill | Single Target | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Energy Regeneration : 0 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Weakness Break : Single Target : 60 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Consumes HP equal to Consumes a portion of this unit's own HP to regenerate Energy. Deals Fire DMG to a single enemy. Advances this unit's next Action. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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 | Fyrefly Type-IV: Complete Combustion - Ultimate | Enhance | ||||||||||||
| Energy Regeneration : 5 | |||||||||||||
| Weakness Break : 0 | |||||||||||||
| Enters the Complete Combustion state, advances this unit's Action by A countdown timer for the Complete Combustion state appears on the Action Order. When the countdown timer's turn starts, SAM exits the Complete Combustion state. The countdown timer has a fixed SPD of SAM cannot use Ultimate while in Complete Combustion. Enters the Complete Combustion state. Advances this unit's Action by | |||||||||||||
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 | Chrysalid Pyronexus - Talent | Defense | |||||
| Energy Regeneration : 0 | ||||||
| Weakness Break : 0 | ||||||
| The lower the HP, the less DMG received. When HP is If Energy is lower than The lower the HP, the less DMG received. During the Complete Combustion state, the DMG Reduction effect remains at its maximum extent and Effect RES is increased. If Energy is lower than | ||||||
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 | Attack |
| Energy Regeneration : 0 | |
| Weakness Break : Single Target : 30 | |
| Attacks an enemy, and when the battle starts, reduces their Toughness of the corresponding Type. | |
 | Δ Order: Meteoric Incineration - Technique |
| Energy Regeneration : 0 | |
| Weakness Break : Single Target : 60 | |
| Leaps into the air and moves about freely for Leaps into the air and moves about freely. After a few seconds of movement, plunges and attacks all enemies within range. At the start of each wave, applies a Fire Weakness to all enemies and deals Fire DMG to them. | |
 | Fyrefly Type-IV: Pyrogenic Decimation - Basic ATK | Single Target |
| Energy Regeneration : 0 | |
| Weakness Break : Single Target : 45 | |
| Restores HP by an amount equal to Restores a portion of this unit's own HP and deals Fire DMG to a single enemy. | |
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 | Fyrefly Type-IV: Deathstar Overload - Skill | Blast | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Restores HP by an amount equal to Restores a portion of this unit's own HP. Applies Fire Weakness to one enemy. Deals massive Fire DMG to this target and Fire DMG to adjacent targets. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Traces
 | Module α: Antilag Outburst |
| Requires Character Ascension 2 | |
| During the Complete Combustion, attacking enemies that have no Fire Weakness can also reduce their Toughness, with the effect being equivalent to | 500031 |
 | Effect RES Boost (Effect RES) |
| Requires Character Ascension 2 | |
| Effect RES increases by | 500036 |
 | Break Boost (Break Effect) |
| Requires Character Ascension 3 | |
| Break Effect increases by | 1000033 |
 | SPD Boost (SPD) |
| Requires Character Ascension 3 | |
| SPD increases by | 1000033 |
 | Module β: Autoreactive Armor |
| Requires Character Ascension 4 | |
| When SAM is in Complete Combustion with a Break Effect that is equal to or greater than | 20000511 |
 | Break Boost (Break Effect) |
| Requires Character Ascension 4 | |
| Break Effect increases by | 2000054 |
 | Effect RES Boost (Effect RES) |
| Requires Character Ascension 5 | |
| Effect RES increases by | 4500033 |
 | Break Boost (Break Effect) |
| Requires Character Ascension 5 | |
| Break Effect increases by | 4500033 |
 | Module γ: Core Overload |
| Requires Character Ascension 6 | |
| For every | 160K811 |
 | SPD Boost (SPD) |
| Requires Character Ascension 6 | |
| SPD increases by | 160K88 |
 | Effect RES Boost (Effect RES) |
| Requires Character Lv. 75 | |
| Effect RES increases by | 160K88 |
 | Break Boost (Break Effect) |
| Requires Character Lv. 80 | |
| Break Effect increases by | 160K88 |
 | Break Boost (Break Effect) |
| Break Effect increases by | 25002 |
Eidolons
 | In Reddened Chrysalis, I Once Rest |  |
| When using the Enhanced Skill, ignores |
 | From Shattered Sky, I Free Fall |  |
| While in Complete Combustion, using the Enhanced Basic ATK or the Enhanced Skill to defeat an enemy target or to Break their Weakness allows SAM to immediately gain 1 extra turn. This effect can trigger again after |
 | Amidst Silenced Stars, I Deep Sleep |  |
| Skill Lv. +2, up to a maximum of Lv. Basic ATK Lv. +1, up to a maximum of Lv. |
 | Upon Lighted Fyrefly, I Soon Gaze |  |
| While in Complete Combustion, increases SAM's Effect RES by |
 | From Undreamt Night, I Thence Shine |  |
| Ultimate Lv. +2, up to a maximum of Lv. Talent Lv. +2, up to a maximum of Lv. |
 | In Finalized Morrow, I Full Bloom |  |
| While in Complete Combustion, increases SAM's Fire RES PEN by |
Light Cones
| Concepts | Rarity | Path | ATK | DEF | HP | Skill | Character Materials | |
 | Collapsing Sky | 3 | destruction-class | 370.44 | 198.45 | 846.72 | The wearer's Basic ATK and Skill deal |   |
 | Shattered Home | 3 | destruction-class | 370.44 | 198.45 | 846.72 | The wearer deals |  |
 | Mutual Demise | 3 | destruction-class | 370.44 | 198.45 | 846.72 | If the wearer's current HP percentage is lower than |  |
 | The Moles Welcome You | 4 | destruction-class | 476.28 | 264.6 | 1058.4 | When the wearer uses Basic ATK, Skill, or Ultimate to attack enemies, the wearer gains one stack of Mischievous. Each stack increases the wearer's ATK by | |
 | A Secret Vow | 4 | destruction-class | 476.28 | 264.6 | 1058.4 | Increases DMG dealt by the wearer by | |
 | Under the Blue Sky | 4 | destruction-class | 476.28 | 330.75 | 952.56 | Increases the wearer's ATK by |  |
 | Woof! Walk Time! | 4 | destruction-class | 476.28 | 330.75 | 952.56 | Increases the wearer's ATK by | |
 | Nowhere to Run | 4 | destruction-class | 529.2 | 264.6 | 952.56 | Increases the wearer's ATK by | |
 | Something Irreplaceable | 5 | destruction-class | 582.12 | 396.9 | 1164.24 | Increases the wearer's ATK by |  |
 | The Unreachable Side | 5 | destruction-class | 582.12 | 330.75 | 1270.08 | Increases the wearer's CRIT Rate by | |
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Firefly V3 changes
Base stats
HP 814 -> 815
Attack 756 -> 524
Defense 776 -> 776
Speed 92 -> 104
Base skill
HP consumption 50% -> 40%
Energy gain 50% -> 60%
Damage scaling 250% -> 200%
Effect added : Now advances her next action by 25%.
Ultimate
Speed buff 50 -> 60
Damage increase 12->20%
Countdown speed 90 -> 70
Talent
effect res increase max 25% -> 30%
Firefly Traces
1. During ult state if BE is 200% / 360% give 35/ 50% superbreak damage. (I think this replaces the def ignore one) (This also stacks with HMC)
2. Every 100 attack above 1600 gain 10% break effect, no limit is listed.
Firefly Enhanced Skill
Main Target damage 50% of BE + 400%ATK —> 20% of BE + 200%ATK
Adjacent Target Damage 25% of BE + 200%ATK —> 10% of BE + 100%ATK.
I think there is zero reason to use crit because the modifier sucks now lmao.
its better this way people wont force her to do crit. Plus it makes her pretty much easier to build for and I’m guessing she should get 3 turns in ult now?
yeah with this multipliers crit wont even matter now
with the no cap on the bonus BE on 3.4k+ atk (double atk% with some atk% sub) you can get 180+ BE for free
the 35/50% superbreak damage tho how does it calculate? do we count HTB 1 instance of superbreak as 100%?
just noticed that her base spd is faster than hunt characters now
how is she still destruction with this spd
correction shes only faster than ratio
Rocket booster really pump up your speed
I think we count htb superbreak instance as 100%. So Firefly can do 150% superbreak every skill. Also it might be worth to hit 150 base speed so ult form can get 4 turns (210 speed).
109 speed base (+5 from traces).
Speed boots (25)
Ruan Mei (10.4%)
60 speed from level 10 Ult
6% speed from the new planar set.
Pretty sure this hits like 210 speed but idk.
you get +10.4 on ruan mei speed boost as %spd multipliers only takes spd from base stat
so yeah it hits 210.6 spd without any spd substat
putting this question here too
if BE gain from her atk has no limit now, does atk buffs indirectly increase her BE during combat now?
I found the answer for this, it seems that the rule is that the atk buffs have to come from Firefly’s attack (tingyun, huo huo, asta and bronya). Robin’s ult doesnt work as it scales off robins attack. Asta is ez the best one out of the 4 I mentioned (bronya would be a pain to speed-tune). Asta means you could go attack boots on FF as well. Hanya could also be interesting with e0 firefly cuz skillpoint return, asta gives more attack and is fire element (opens up penacony planar as well).
@Tro Tter
So, Where are the V3 changes?
can someone explain Firefly for dummies bc I don’t really understand all this but I Want Her
Should be noted that a lot could change once v3 of beta comes out since its very likely for hoyo to tweak a lot of her kit
Firefly is a Character based around break damage who relies on using ult to enhance herself, also passively can do a portion of toughness damage regardless of enemy weakness (aka she can always break, tho not nearly as well when attacking non fire weak)
she starts with 50% energy no matter (meaning you can get her ult up on turn one) what and also gains damage reduction as she loses HP, she also for some reason has a lot of effect resistance in her kit
at high break effect she can ignore a large chunk of enemy defense, she also gains break effect based off attack (every 100 attack above 240 increases break, up to +60% break at 3400 atk)
Skill drains a lot of her health, but also refills half of her energy bar (two skill uses guarantees her ult)
has massive energy cost for her ult, highest in the game at 240, but its made up for by how easy it is to actually get up due to her skill as well as the instant advance + massive speed boost it gives (up to +50 speed)
After using her ult, both her basic attack and skill get enhanced, both attacks will also be able to heal her
Skill now applies fire weakness (like sw’s implant but without resistance down), becomes a blast effect (3 targets with one priority) and now has increased multipliers based off her break effect
TDLR: stack attack and break on her so she does massive break numbers; she can be built into crit due to how high her own multipliers can scale to but for that you would still need to maintain break effect and attack so she can upgrade her multipliers and get her defense shred (meaning critfly is a super high investment team to actually get to work decently well)
main team for her is currently a super break team (pair her with Harmony TB and Ruan Mei) where you will want to fully stack break effect and speed, she can do really high superbreaks comparable to boothill at times with the bonus of being aoe and naturally being fast
basically you want her to have as much atk and Break Effect as possible. Threshold to maximize her potential will be 3400 atk and 360% of break effect. Then you need to add in spd too whenever possible.
currently her best line up consists of Harmony TB (a must), Ruan Mei (optional but definitely much better to have), and Gallagher (can sub for any other sustainer. but since Gallagher also scales with break effect, he’s currently the best in slot)
She has two battle states (similar to Jing Liu), and your goal is to make sure she enters her enhanced state as soon as possible. Also similar to Jing Liu, when Firefly is outside her enhanced state, using skill 2x is guaranteed to allow her to enter her enhanced state. Now unlike Jing Liu who depends on her ultimate to maintain her enhanced state as long as possible, Firefly’s enhanced state works like Robin’s ultinate where there will be a countdown of sort that has fixed speed (it will appear on the action order. think about Jing Yuan’s LL mechanism too). So as long as that countdown hasn’t reached the top of action order, Firefly can enjoy her enhanced state for as long as she wants (that’s why you want to stack as much spd on her too). Mind you that in her enhanced state, she also gets a whopping 50 spd boost and enhanced break efficiency.
basically Firefly needs to break opponents to unleash her maximum damage, but simply breaking enemies aren’t gonna cut it. That’s where Harmony TB with their SUPER BREAK mechanism comes in. When harmony TB’s buff is active, as long as you’re attacking BROKEN enemies, you can deal break dmg to them. That’s why I said harmony TB is the most essential support for Firefly. Ruan Mei will also helps (a lot) because she increases weakness breaks efficiency, she herself also gives break effect boost, and can delay recovery of enemies from their weakness broken state (basically enemies will stay in broken states longer, which is exactly what you want). Ruan Mei and harmony TB not only amplify each other’s potency, but also Firefly’s.
Hope this makes you understand what’s at stakes if you want to pull for this lovely girl
Has 2 basic attacks and 2 skills, normal and enhanced.
Normal skill takes 50% HP but gives 50% energy.
Ult, turns skill into enhanced skill for a short duration. After duration ends, you return to normal version of enhanced skill and basic attack.
Enhanced skill deals more AoE, more dmg, and heals.
Damage is focused on break damage. More BE = more damage.
She basically is like Jingliu with her two forms, weaker outside of the enhanced form. You want to build ATK, SPD, and Break Effect.
Firefly break unit. You want break-effect and attack.
Ult costs alot of energy (tingyun and huo huo wont help)
Skill costs 50% of firefly max hp but regenerates 50% max energy. (you start battle with 50% energy on firefly always).
Ult makes firefly take turn again instantly and enhances her basic attack and skill and has a countdown like robin ult, she also cleanses all debuffs.
Ult increases her speed by like 50 or 60, increases her weakness break efficiency by 50% (ruan mei buff) and increases the dmg weakness broken enemies receive from all sources.
Enhanced skill and basic regen firefly health. Enhanced skill (blast attack) implant fire weakness on enemy so she can break them. She only places this weakness on primary target of blast.
Her skill scales off attack and break effect (max break effect number it uses is 360, e.g. if you have 450 be it will still only use 360 for dmg calc)
She wants break effect, attack and speed so far.
Her traces want at least 360 break effect you can go for more though.
250 be = 30% def ignore when attacking 360 be = 40% def ignore
this is alot of break effect but there is some stuff that can help.
another of her traces makes it so every 100 attack over 2400 gives her 6% break effect maxing out at 60% be at 3400 attack.
Harmony MC and ruan mei are her best supports by far. They both give her break effect and Harmony MC gives her the ability to rebreak targets that are already weakness broken. This fixes firefly’s primary weakness that boothill doesnt possess.
you probably want speed so her ult state breaks 180 speed to give her more turns while the ult state lasts.
This is long and rushed but I hope it helped and was easy enough to understand.
We’re talking about HSR, so.
Press E every turn. Get a strong healer because she uses a ton of HP without stance. Press Ult when it’s ready. in ult just press E on the strongest enemy. That’s ALL.
Stats are questionable, The dumbest and the easiest way to play her is “just build break”. And speed and a bit of ATK if possible. In that case teammates are HMC, RM and maybe gallahar. I myself would prefer crit build because it’s not so brain dead and much more fun to play because you can use like sparkle, but it is told to be weaker so just build break.
Overall, everyone who says she is weak is a clinical idiot. Her scales are absurdly huge and “she’s hard to build” is not an argument. this character will break the game.
1. Starts battle at 50% energy
2. Skill regen 50% energy
3. Ult in the first turn
4. Dps and heal until countdown ends
5. Try to skill 2x without dying
6. Cast ult again
7. Rinse and repeat
Default state, use HP to charge Ultimate and deals high dmg
“ultimate” state : Regen HP and deal stupid high DMG for some duration (Speed dependent status like robin’s ult)
As a SAM main I’m happy that the loli has awful damage and needs HMC to do anything.
Can’t wait until they release the real SAM 5* (after the loli dies in story).
Firefly is NOT a loli lmao
This is the real Sam 5* and if Firefly dies Sam is also gone
Short girl = Loli apparently
As Arataki numero uno Itto says, everyone shorter than him is a kid (he’s like 6’4)
is she?. I think the only teenager model that fits loli is pela and huohuo obviously. herta too but shes a doll.
Is Firefly a loli? No, the obviously was just sarcasm, I don’t even know if she’s a short model or a maid model
Among the short characters, there’s Huohuo and Clara who are children, and Herta who may be since she’s based on young Herta.
As far as I know Pela is a full grown adult, maybe the same age as Cocolia and Serval (30s)
The apparently was sarcasm*
I’m losing the plot
That sounds like can’t wait until Kamen Rider Zero-One released as a real 5-star character after Aruto Hiden dies in story. There is no real Sam. It is just a persona of Firefly.
SAM = Firefly
Cope harder
bait used to take effort
So your happy a character is bad. For you don’t like them. Due to the character you like, turning out to be a persona of a character you hate. Dude, Sam is just a power ranger named firefly. Like are you suffering from twitter brainrot? I hate to break it to you, but twitter is wrong about everything being a child. There is this thing called puberty, when a character goes through it. They are no longer deem a child. They would at best be a teen. Which also, Firefly would not be a loli by any sense of the word. She is way to tall to be one.
Like you do know, the whole story from 2.0 onwards. Was talk about being inside of a dream right? Like did you never take the time to thing, maybe everything is not what it seems to be inside of this dream. Which Sam Firefly are one. The real Sam would be dead. If you got your wish. The only thing that would happen then, if someone took the Sam armored and used it. Which again, would just be a different take on the whole suit of armor thing. You sound like a person that goes, oh I normally don’t like mecha anime for They focus two much on the mecha and not enough on the humans. When it like boy, have you bloody seen any of the good gundam series? Like they focus on humans, all the time. The main reason for the conflict, is the humans disagreeing with one another.
Like please do everyone a favor. Go jack off to your favorite porn. Look at yourself in a mirror and think about your life. For this statement you made is truly pathetic. Everyone here is dumber, due to having read your statement. Congrats, on killing everyone’s brain cells with your stupid.
I’m a proud Loli Hater and even I know she’s not one lol She looks and acts her age unlike other characters. Like it’s fine to want them as separate characters but calling her a loli is pushing it xD
Yeah I think the op really has lost the plot. When everyone can agree, Firefly is not a Loli. Which unlike other characters. Where the official art work is a bit different from their in game model. Firefly art work and in game model, match each other very closely. I think the op must be on drugs, some very good ones or heavily drinking to believe Firefly is a Loli.
It’s okay ! You’ll need to wait 10 years and you’ll get the real SAM !
I know you can wait !
this tbh
Firefly mains rise! (I’m not included)
She clears the current Moc in 1 cycle like Acheron!
https://youtu.be/T6notxkdsMc?si=74zBDjnsF1KOoOpQ
As the biggest Acheron hater there is, this showcase hurt to watch
I unironically think this speed boots Acheron, with a sustainer could have 0 cycled. Not breaking Gepard before Acheron ulting, damage controlling so you enter the 2nd wave with both Pela and Silverwolf’s ultimate up. Terrible build and gameplay mistakes
That’s not even taking into account, that running Fu Xuan was literally worthless, switch the boots to ATK, slot Sparkle in and enjoy. Tectone of all people was able to clear this side with Acheron, without any sustain. If you can’t do it, lol.
Your slacking. No long post that takes up half the page, as to why Archeron is overrated?
Of course Eggman can do it. They might be unable to defeat a blue animal that eats chili dogs but they are a genius that can make robots power by tiny little animals. Only a genius would be able to make such fuel effective robots.
I like how Firefly in that video has somewhat relatable relics, then he shows what Acheron has.
I mean, I wish I have that kind of relics. 90/260 crit in combat is what I’d have if I give Acheron Sparkle’s buff lol fuck me
Nah, I’m happy enough in my 3 cycles Noobsville, dreaming of a day I’d have 161 SPD supports.
Yeah being able to get like over 200 crit damage and still have a decent crit rate. takes some godly rng artifact luck or months possibly more of pure pain.
but how can one be a Firefly main, if you can’t fly and are not on fire?
The sad thing here is that THAT IS FIREFLY’S BEST TEAM ever.
There will never be a replacement for Harmony TB + Ruan Mei combo.
And Gallagher is already as good as a healer you can get for being Fire, break effect unit, and heals outside turns.
you seem quite confused if you think hoyo will not expand on break effect teams and that FFs team will always looks like this
It will. And it will be a rude awakening for those who think there will be better supports for her than the duo of HMC and RM. If anything, there will be a better break damage core attacker.
Break teams will be expanded but not FF herself. There will be units with built in superbreaks in them. We will have units that may finally abandon trailblazer in favor of other Harmony or Nihility units, we might even get a duo breaker.
But as for FF, she is locked on a duo support. You can remove either, but it will result to weaker FF. And I really doubt there will be a better Ruan Mei or HTB.
The only way to replace Ruan Mei is to make a clone, with similar kit but with higher scaling. They won’t do that.
As for HTB, look at its kit. Superbreak – 3 turns, All units, can stay 100% up time. What is there to improve with that. Additionally, htb increases Superbreak dmg up to 60%. With gears, can also give more than 100 (130 at start with tech) BE, and to all allies at that. Bonus that it can inflict VERY HIGH toughness damage with equally high superbreak dmg as a result.
Yeah. Seen vids with only htb or only rm, and it didn’t end well. I really doubt there will be better htb or better rm. We might have a better Firefly though.
Firefly isn’t a good zero-cycler just as it, because she needs 2 casts of normal skill to transform again. It is easy for her to melt the duo elite in the first wave within 3 swipes, but melting the last boss in the second wave at full toughness in 2 swipes is kinda impossible even if the boss was single-phased. To address this issue you must either give her alot of speed from substats and make intensive use of S5 DDD and possibly company her with Bronya and like, or somehow be able to regen 115 energy on her allowing 1 fewer cast of normal skill. Either way might not be feasible under many circumstances.
However she is an expert 1-cycler, 2-cycler, and 3-cycler. Her damage output is stable, not relying on the relic builds and is hard to be hindered by the enemy given the break playstyle seldom allow the enemy to take turns, meaning it is as easy as drinking the water for Firefly to destroy any MoC in a reasonably fast speed.
But are they faster than Sonic?
I mean 1,2, or even 3 cycle is pretty great as is. It doesn’t have to be 0 cycle or nothing and I dunno why that’s such a widespread thing nowadays as though 0 cycling is the only way to play. It’s still 60 jades at the end of the day lol. Blasphemy I know.
5 cycles is good enough for the jades so…
0 cycle is just for the funny “30 cycles remaining” screen at the end
I think it might have something to do with the people who like to shout power creep or go this game has insane power creep. While failing to back it up with anything meaningful. For oh yeah, zero cycle means this character is super good and future proof, in case they power creep memories of chaos to be tougher. Than again alot of these folk that go. Power creep. Will still call characters who are on the older side, that can zero Cycle as being power creep and due to being power creep, are trashed. Even with them being able to do the whole 0 cycle thing.
For yeah, long as a character can get it done. In a few cycles. Hopefully, with a few extra to spare for team two. That is good enough. Since long as you get the jades. Well. Nothing else matters.
Seele can still 0 cycle, so can almost every limited DPS under the right circumstances
Jing Yuan may not 0 cycle incredibly well but he can get good clears in MoC AND sweep PF as well
Argenti isn’t as strong as JY in MoC but is even stronger in PF
Blade is on the weaker side but he’s very comfy to play with his high HP
Ratio can and he was free
What every one of these characters does have in common is that their 0 cycle teams use immensely powerful supports, because Supports are infinitely more valuable than any DPS can be
Sauce Kun@
Heck. Anyone that play with Tingyun, I think can understand the benefits of Blade. Not having to worry about a character dying, is very nice.
Yeah zero cycle tends to use very powerful supports. Along with lightcones that tend to focus on action advance. Along with having many characters equip with the eagle set, for even more action advance. From what I seen.
Yeah a dps you really don’t need many of them. Only a handful at best. More so if you already got great relics for them or are the most lucky person in the word with rng. While a support, in many cases tends to be rather flexible. Sometimes grabbing extra copies of the support can help make them even more universe in terms of usefulness. Like Robin e1. Turning her ultimate into almost the same as Mei when it comes to res pen. Making it almost like you have two Mei’s to use for your teams rather than one. Then we have stuff like Sparkle e2. Which grants defense shred. Which only makes her pair up even better with the likes of say Silver Wolf or Pela. Heck one can make the case. Extra copies of a support, could be way better than another dps.
Same case can be made for FU Xuan and Aventurine. More crit damage for the whole party? Well that just a very nice benefit. The faster you kill things, well, the easier it is to keep the party alive. in the case of Aventurine e1. Makes him more useful for speedy characters, that love to take up alot of turns. For oh hey, shield back after using ultimate and depending on luck. Could get enough stacks, to trigger a follow up attack. Making it the same as if you had cast his skill twice in a row. Which given alot of these useful benefits from supports, you just need a single extra copy of. Well it does make it very tempting and desirable to pick up a support your likely going to use That and picking up extra copies of supports. Also ensures you don’t have to deal with the pain and suffering that is relic rng. Ah yes, thank you game for all this crit damage. A shame it will never benefit me at all, thanks to zero crit rate.
Zero-cycling, or simply reducing the cycles used to clear it, is just an entertainment when you have nothing better to play with on your account. Such an account can never have an issue merely clearing it without retries. You don’t zero-cycle and your phone don’t explode.
However, when A quarrels with B about whether / why unit alpha is strong and good, A may query the internet for zero-cycling showcases of unit alpha to prove it while B may claim that zero-cycling showcases aren’t representitive for the cases of over 99% of the common players meaning it is not a prove. Interestingly, when it comes to unit beta, immediately B starts to query the internet for showcases of unit beta and it is now A who would not admit.
Exactly. And it’s a bit self-realizing, as in your example B learns that A connects the ability to 0-cycle with strength, and as such learns to use that as an example of strength, which then can cause C to see that and start to do the same, and so on.
The number of players who clear MoC 12 is a small fraction of the playerbase, and the people who try to 0-cycle it is a small fraction of that fraction Most people can’t 3* clear MoC 12, and most of those who can will just get their jades and get out rather than trying to challenge themselves for no extra reward.
What other metric should be used then?
Don’t get me wrong, I agree 0 cycles shouldn’t exclusively be taken into account, but
It shows characters under duress. It’s pointless to theory craft for a 5 cycle clear, you’re already playing sub optimally. When trying to optimize, and see the peak of every characters, all paths lead to a 0 cycle .
You see, just like in life, not all cycles are equal. The “zeroth” cycle has a lot more Action Value in it. And it resets at the start of every wave. The longer a fast lasts, the more impactful speed becomes. But investing in speed lowers your damage, which makes the fight last longer… A LOT of supports lose value, Sparkle and Robin specifically appreciate short fights. Some DPS lose momentum, such as Acheron’s Crimson Knot generation. For other’s is redundant, IF your Jingyuan can’t clear the ads with ult, and sweep with LL ur in for a long fight etc
When I search the internet for zero-cycling showcases I find them doing all they can to cheat the rule of team cost they came up with somehow. (A team’s cost is the total number of 5-star characters and light cones in the team except for the trailblazer and the herta shop light cones.)
• Extraordinarily high substats rolls on the relics;
• More than ideal speed tuning of the whole team;
• Intensive use of S5 DDD, sometimes even 2 copies of it in the same team;
• Yukong at E6, who has high supporting power but way too inconvenient to use and it is very unlikely to have her at E6 because she rarely gets a rerun unless you got her at E6 at DHIL’s initial banner;
• The downgrading of signature light cones into excellent replacements that do not count towards the team cost but is in fact ~90% power of the signature.
You notice? The conditions of zero-cycling are way higher opportunity cost than just assigning more powerful limited units and light cones into your roster. There are absolutely more accounts that can afford having 5~7 limited items in a team and can clear the MoC suboptimally at 7~10 cycles than those who can film the zero-cycling showcases. The showcases are just a performance, an amusement for the community, and the reasonable and pragmatic master zero-cyclers do agree with it that the showcases can neither be your combat guide nor be the metric of unit power.
You need a metric of unit power for any use afterall? To prove that your units are strong and good to someone who would not admit it? To laugh at the people who made the “wrong” choice to pull for some underpowered units in the last year? To train yourself to predict the units’ power level before the release? I don’t need it at all. I’m not a master zero-cycler and I can clear the MoC suboptimally at 5~7 cycles without retries, or 2~4 cycles when I retry alot to see how good I can do. I do so only for an entertainment when I have nothing better to do. I feel no need to prove to anyone that my units are strong and good because I know they are.
Slay
By the way, my primary DPS is Seele, who is considered the worst limited unit in history and would be forever, the first but no the last victim of powercreeping, a generous doner of relics and supports, and the Diluc / Klee counterpart in HSR. Everytime she was slandered, abandoned, spurned, distained by yet another unfortunate community member who got the wrong unit, I just don’t get it. She has been sharp and deadly in my hands, with her I fully conquered every season of MoC, PF, swarm disaster, and gold and gear and I never felt like she is hard to pilot or her damage is too low or something else and I don’t get it why she is hated. It is clearly not because of the power level, or the sheer number of Seele zero-cycling showcases should have earned her respect among the community. This, plays a major part why I have been dismissive of the community’s opinion of unit power level.
Being able to 0 cycle is amazing, no one can deny that. But at the end of a day, those are are just results. Interpreting them as metric for measurement is… bold. This is mostly because power level in this game is tied to RNG; characters, light cone, eidolons down to the despicable relic system.
If we take 0 cycling as representations between E0S1 character vs E6S5, they both can archive same result of 0 cycle, but E6S5 one might take literal 1 turn compared to E0S1’s 2 turns. Would you say that they are both at the same power level?
It gets even messier if we dare try to factor costs into this, because then we’d have to consider 4* options as well.
For example; An absolute luck forsaken player clears MoC in 10 cycles with only 4* characters and another player clearing the same content at 5 cycles with all 5* roster. How do we interpret this data? LoL, this 10 cycles guy sucks ass?
The answer is: They are accurate, that’s it. (God forbid the computers making computational errors.)
We already have every metric information we need because they are shown on the very site we are on. (Numbers, characters’ stats, skill damage multipliers, enemy resistances, etc.)
Again, the 0 cycling stuffs, either from intricate efforts or lunch money, are merely data.
What you say about all paths lead to 0 cycle is accurate. But the way you interpret that is very different than some of us.
Yeah I don’t get why people dislike Seele. It just seems blind hate. Even with her countlessly showing time and time again. She can put in the work and do well. Like any other dps, you have to get good supports for her. Along with having to get good relics for her but that the same for every dps, that is not blindfold ice lady. Blindfold ice lady, gets so much free crit rate and other stats, it easy as heck to build her. Everyone else, back to the grind. Which Seele scales very well, the more you gear her up. The amount of performance you get from Seele in terms of relics, depends on how much you put into her. If you give her nothing, of course she going to perform poorly. For you gave her trash relics. Anyone beside maybe one or two characters wouldn’t be trash with poor artifacts. Give her ok artifacts and you can start cooking. Give her good or great artifacts, your in the money your in the money.
Honestly .I think alot of people just like to go lol i’m free to play, good thing I don’t spend any money for the power creep is crazy in this game. Or to go lol good thing I got this character unlike that old power creep unit. Which comes down to them trying to make themselves feel better for their own choices and make others feel bad for their choices. For many that like to shout power creep. Use the tactic of being vague. So any time you try and call them out. they can say that not what they meant or get people to agree with them, by simply being so vague. Whatever you think they meant, must be what they meant. A very dishonest tactic.
I think we can all agree on one thing. We should of listen to dragon ball. When they said power levels are bullshit.
OK new rule. If a character can’t beat a giant monster attacking japan in under three minutes they suck. There that is our new power scaling.
I have mainly heard from others, that she is being compare in 0 cycle is just mainly because of Boothill and Jingliu. Yea they do need a lot of investments and requirements like what you listed there, but to them even if given the same investment to Firefly, she can’t do it. Which is where their discontents come from
On top of new niche gameplay + require to always run with another key unit ( even if they are free ) and barely work with other existing good characters. While Boothill, whose is technically have same break mechanic is doing better than her if people do invest into his team building or even Jingliu in similar fashion, and most of them aren’t picky with teammates that bad to remain inside the 2 – 4 cycle clear, and if given best teams, it is 0 – 1 cycles ( let not include Acheron, I feel like too many ppl biased about her these days ). Meanwhile Firefly just feel too inflexible in team building ( yes I know, her Fire implant make her universal better than almost every DPS in all situation )
Plus the poor gameplay showcases on youtube where neither HMC or RM is present ( or even both ) making the run feel terrible ( for example the 9 cycle clear top half ), have make the majority of the community believe she is just that bad even for F2P casual play. Which is turn giving her current doompost status
I myself do feel a bit of a shame about her can’t 0 cycle, but it is not big deal either way, I priority new fun playstyle than better records no one care about. But what I actually feel bad about her is that she just doesn’t feel unique enough, like how Boothill is. Not his dmg or 0 cycling, but it is that he himself is just a solid character of his own, while Firefly is require to always run with HMC to actually deal her own dmg as if forced to be a pair forever. Don’t get me wrong, I like them pairing up, just not this ” a must “, it is gacha game after all and we should be able to use whoever with whoever while still have good enough performance, not being cripple for not using the exact teammate. There should be a different between willingly and forced, unless they give Firefly for free than I am fine with whatever restriction here xD
in short, Firefly should have something more unique in a break team more than just her fire implant and fast break ( I mean she is a break char, this should be baseline and not an advantage ) for me
Firefly is already unique by her easy and consistant weakness implant and among the highest toughnes substraction value in the game, allowing high access to the break mechanic that nobody else can do the same at a same level of convenience, not even Silver Wolf, not even Boothill. She is asking for teammates who value the traits on her, possibly allowing her to do the break damage not just once when she breaks the enemy.
If you are worried if she will be overthrown when a stronger super break DPS come out, don’t worry. Guess when do we have a 3rd limited DoT? Nobody knows. Hoyo design and balance teams around as a whole, after that point they deside who are about to be available as 4-star units and who are about to be limited units, and for the limited units, Hoyo give them something else that open up more possibilities but would not be valued in the original team they are designated at, just in case you don’t have the team in the designer’s mind fully crewed, rendering the limited unit useless. This is why some unit have something that would not allow their besties to exploit, such as how Robin / Sparkle’s teamwide attack bonus would not benefit Aventurine / Fu Xuan, and how Kafka is unable to exploit the additional effect of Arcana aside from its damage. After every unit in the team in the designer’s mind are released, the team is compleat. No future units will be designed for the team, unless the designer made a mistake, such as unintentional direct powercreeping.
Let’s look at the super break team and consider. Why Firefly lacks possibilities aside from the super break playstyle? Because the team’s kernel is available for free as a form of the trialblazer, meaning you get Firefly and immediately the team is almost compleat. It is playable because you already have the pair. The team can be further upgraded by Ruan Mei, the designated break support who majorly prolongs the time window when you can deal super break damage and gives a straight boost to the super break damage, just like how the pair of Kafka and Black Swan can be further upgraded by Ruan Mei, who generously offers a teamwide damage amp and def pen. It is the HTB who needs other possibilities, but don’t worry, they alone is very well playable.
Firefly is the first occasion in my experience that a limited unit is locked into the designated team in the designer’s mind, because the team’s kernel is available for free as a form of the trialblazer, which is also the first ever occasion that the protagonist is not just playable, but was designed as a kernel of a team. The pair is so special in many aspects, it is a rare occasion in Hoyoverse games.
@Dazz Aephix
Ur bringing fair points, we’re debating things we both agree on. There’s SOME people, who think having 200 speed Wind Relics, or a 5K ATK Robin with Physical spear and quantum set, doesn’t automatically discredit their run. It’s cool to see, but speaks 0 of the character’s strength
However that’s not what 0 cycling boils down to. That’s not what most people who 0 cycle do at all. It’s simply strategy, and trust me most people suuuck at this game. Just look at any of your irl friends attempt at clearing MoC, it’s laughable. I mean no disrespect lol, but those are the people debating meta on reddit. Just a notch above the E2S1 astute Prydwen theorycrafters, who think 0 cycling with stoopid investment is impressive
Check Eidah on youtube, look at the Sushang video lol. A 4 star, having excess damage, overkilling MoC 12 and 11 with ease. E0S1 clears, doesn’t get more relatable than that. If you don’t have an Eidolon here, a 5 Star weapon there. A good relic set n stuff, that’s a skill issue on your part. It’s been over a year
However, not every unit are designed as a piece of a team in the designer’s mind. Such kind of units are completely luck dependant about their fate. If they are lucky enough, their unique traits might be valued by a team in the designer’s mind and the designer might choose to reuse an old unit rather than making a new one. In this case, the unit is redeemed. However, it is more often that this kind of unit are simply experimental or placeholder and will never have a good luck to be redeemed.
guys i have a question
my current build is 2pc firesmith 2pc BE & 2pc talia. ive been farming crit firesmith pieces, but i have 2 of them with high BE. can firefly use the extra fire dmg from the 2pc bonus? my ball has atk for now, because i was unsure if fire dmg would be useful or not
no, dmg% or elemental dmg% have no impact to superbreak dmg. so yeah, it’s useless
you should wait for the new break relic to release
Hybrid wise, yeah she can probably get some use out of fire dmg bonus. Just make sure your build has enough break effect. Also ATK ball is best bc one of her traces gives her 6% break effect every 100 atk over 2400 to a max of 60% additional break effect. For building hybrid, ATK seems to be the best since it buffs the normal dmg and give BE for break dmg.
“ive been farming crit firesmith pieces”
yeah no, dont do that
like at all, lol
firesmith will always be subpar no matter what you use it on in the current state of the game since it really just doesnt do anything notable
firefly’s current kit wants you to only focus on break effect, attack (up to 3400) and speed, and her best team runs her with super break, in which crit and damage bonus doesnt do anything
hybrid firefly can be usable however with very high investment
Hopefully they’ll fix her e1 def ignore. It’s not working rn.
It does work, her E1 gives her ESkill 15% def ignore, Super Break and Break aren’t part of her ESkill so they’re not affected. This is how I understand it.
That’s clearly not intentional but rather a bug. Welt’s signature light cone gives some atk% when casting the skill and the effect benefits additional damage from Welt’s talent properly, which isn’t considered part of Welt’s skill.
Oh, true, good thing I was wrong then
is MOC enemies rn have higher hp than before? especially kafka and gepard boss. or it just me didn’t have enough damage.
They probably do but my Rat team performed the same as always. My DoT team struggled but they’re poorly built tbh xD
They absolutely do
Gepard in 2.0 MoC 12 had 600k or so HP whereas I believe he has 1million or so this time
It’s probably balanced around the blessing, otherwise such a massive spike in 2 patches is… bad
Yes, the devs intentionally increased the HP of many enemies in the MoC, especially when the Memory Turbulence is something strong.
The MT we had vs. the Aventurine boss was a 15% HP damage every cycle and 30% vulnerability on the enemy’s side, which is very strong, leading to the devs increasing the Aventurine boss’s HP to ~1m per phase and ~2m in total.
The MT we have for now is a 25% energy regen every cycle, which is almost a Huohuo for free, and 30% damage amp on every character, which is also very strong, plus the Gepard boss and the Kafka boss are not as strong as the Aventurine boss, and the devs desided they have to have ~1m HP to stand a challenge to the player.
The MoC in the 2.3 patch has a MT that is not so useful for most of the teams, and the bosses there do not have HP as high as what we now have. The Cocolia boss there has ~838k HP and the Argenti boss there has ~628k HP per phase and ~1.3m HP in total.
Cocolia you say? Cue the theme music.
Wrapped in biting wind
Hearts will never bleed
Frozen and banished
In their restless dreams
They try so hard to breathe
Pulses flutter and sting
Within this bleakness
Pain will come with the blade
Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
In this dormant world somehow
Unsheathe a sword not to kill
Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
Wake up, it’s time to gather now
The only warmth remains
In hands clasped so tight
The only fire exists
In brave hearts
Seasons that refuse
To change over the years
Will find their way back
Back on track
(Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh)
We’ve made a choice, go fight against your fate!
Pain will come with the blade
Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
In this dormant world somehow
Unsheathe a sword not to kill
Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
Wake up, it’s time to gather now
Forget about the rules
Written on weathered rock
There were chasers of light
Find the way or get lost
We have no way to know
Where they all headed for
See the light from afar
Just blaze through the thorns
We know it’s right over there
We have something to declare
Whatever is arriving, we’ll be prepared
We’ve made a choice, go fight against your fate!
Pain will come with the blade
Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
In this dormant world somehow
Unsheathe a sword not to kill
Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
Wake up to hear the cheering sound
You can find numbers on https://homdgcat.wiki/sr/chaos?lang=EN
Gepard’s HP is 1,005,574
Kafka’s HP is 1,173,170
Is it possible for her to 0-cycle Aventurine in MOC?
Pointless, my lord. The MoC you fight Aventurine is long already over by the time of Firefly’s release.
Oh, well, good to know. I will tell Cocolia and Kafka to get lost from the current reset, since they are old bosses and can’t be reused in later resets.
I will tell every time Cocolia gots a rerun, her HP is adjusted by the devs (increased for most of the time) and the Memory Turbulence is something different. When you fight the Aventurine boss again, any strategy you find for now might not apply any more.
Haven’t seen one with most of the beta showcases, I kind of doubt it tho unless you have E2 since she will have to spend time breaking him first to deal dmg, the best dmg I have seen from her against Aventurine in her ideal team is just about 800k dmg within 2 turns, barely able to get 1 phase done and even if you do, not enough turn left to break / kill his last phase in that same cycle without Bronya / Robin / E2
Actually I found one, but it is Crit build and very high team investment ( everyone with Eidolons and Signature ), probably not worth it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPg02DCM6gk
Thanks. Actually, it doesn’t seem to be that hopeless even for cheaper teams.
Need E1 for synergy with Bronya, if her v3 change put E1 into her base kit then yes
Can someone humor my thought for a minute?
Everyone is discussing BreakFly vs FastFly but i want to introduce FastFly.
I’ll skip all the braindead math and leave only a schizo one.
Courtesty of kj415j45’s calculations on page 10 i will take his stats cuz lazy to count that myself.
If Firefly with SPD boots/RM/no substats can get 136.72 SPD in battle lets discuss 190 SPD in battle w/o ultimate (+53.28 SPD from relic substats. Yes, 10+ SPD on each relic slot…)
Also team setup is IMC/Firefly/RM/Asta cuz i dont see any other way for it to work lol
Ult’s countdown is 90 SPD = 111.1 AV
We need to split 111.AV in 3 values, since 1st move is “free” in terms of AV
SPD with ult = 240 SPD = 41.7 AV
111.1 – 41.7 = 69.4 AV for two moves
so basically 41.7 + 34.7 + 34.7
34.7 AV = 288.2 SPD, we need 48.2 SPD from Asta for these 2 moves to be able to reach 34.7 AV, and Asta ult gives it for exactly 2 turns
and with that 4 turns during combustion is possible, i think
Basically first two move after ultimate are on her own, then next 2 moves are under Asta’s ult.
If you can snapshot Asta’s ult to be able it to last 3 turns then it becomes a little easier, but the concept is there
How bad *bad* is it? if you can get 391.1% BE with no substats like kj415j45 said, then shes still gonna do “some” damage, but the idea of it is pretty funny
Imo that might be able to clear MoC 12, extremely expensive (need E1 to even be able to cast enh skill that often), you would 100% need the healer’s set on someone to get SP’s at the beginning…
But i’d better discuss that than critfly since everyone talks about it 🙂
If Firefly has E1, it would better to just use Bronya. You won’t even need such unrealistic substats. Though with high speed on Bronya and DanceDanceDance Firefly would be able to get 2 extra turns.
And even better than an extra turn in her ultimate, Bronya can significantly speed up her gaining energy for the second ultimate, which may help you to enter the second wave in the ultimate, exit your ultimate, take a turn with Firefly and then advance her with Bronya, use Firefly’s ultimate and advance Firefly’s action. Although it would require a careful speed finetuning.
I don’t see a reason you would prefer Asta over Bronya. E2S1 Bronya may work well even with E0 Firefly.
I was so hyperfixated on strictly SPD i forgot about Bronya, yeah thats a much easier/much less insane option, just build Fastnya and keep Firefly on the ~182 SPD breakpoint
Now my rant sounds like “guys hear me out, Natasha hypercarry with E6…”
Can only defend myself with “but bronya is in another team” lol
My silly thinking made me look silly who wouldve thought
If you got 190 SPD without Ult, then you have 240 SPD at Ult. It seems not working as it does not exceed 90*4 = 270.
So you added Asta, who can buff Firefly with 50 SPD for 2 Turns. Now she gets 290 SPD. Let’s do some calculation here.
10000/240=41.7 AV
10000/290=34.5 AV
0 AV => Ult. 1st Skill. Asta active Ult. At 290 SPD.
34.5 AV => 2nd Skill. At 290 SPD.
69 AV => 3rd Skill. At 240 SPD.
110.7 AV => 4th Skill.
111.1 AV => exit Ult.
It does work as you expected. But I don’t think it’s worth farming relics with those insane sub-stats, especially when the expected Stats are calculated based on the brand-new relic sets. Also, you may find that the 4th Skill is at 110.7 AV. That means if you don’t have a 190 SPD, even a bit different can destroy the SPD trick. Causing at least 20-27 sub-stat wasting.
Check out the action value trick -> https://starrail.honeyhunterworld.com/firefly-character/comment-page-10/#comment-46897
You can do the same thing with Sparkle too! Then you can build more BE sub-stats on relics. The trick also works with Bronya or even Robin.
However, putting Asta in Firefly’s team does have some potential, as you can break the toughness more quickly by using Asta’s skill. Nice catch.
I run the numbers. You need 160 spd to have 4 moves during ulti.
Asta with S5 dance^3 and courier set is a must.
Assume Asta ult on the end of FF 1st enhanced turn, AP cosumptions are as follows:
1st move: free
2nd move: 7600/(160+92*0.1+50+52.8+92*0.12)=28.03 AP
3rd move: 10000/(160+92*0.1+50+52.8)=36.9 AP
4th move: 10000/(160+92*0.1+50)=45.83 AP
Total AP 28.03+36.9+45.83=110.76<111.11
This 160 spd does not include RM's talent. Thus you do need around 14-15 sub stats to achieve this.