1,364 responses to “Ахерон”

1. probably the most controversial unit in HSR, 26+ pages not including replies, with half of the comments say she is bad and half say she is good. so she is average? or is it worse if u don’t get her LC? me myself able to get her E0S1 just because she can face all weakness type with her ult, but tbh it’s really a hard dilemma to do so, especially if u have Kafka + BS E0S1 and Sparkle + JY E0S1

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   • She’s definitely good, but restrictive and her LC is a major portion of her dmg

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   • She is in a sorta less favorable situation for players ( mostly new ) that don’t have Welt LC or GNSW S3+, since majority of Nihility LC are mostly DoT and debuff, not crit stats for DPS. Whether you pull for her or not, should be depend on your current account status, if you have Pela E6 + Sweety Luka LC and Silver Wolf, also have a LC for her then she should be pretty alright for you. Sustain wise there will be Gallagher that you can pick from event in 2.1 as well so you can try that, or use Preservation Trailblazer with Trend of Universe ( Fu xuan or Gepard works too )

     Just wait for Content creator to make more showcases for what team is good and how she performs in general before decide, good luck!

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   • She’s quite strong but she isn’t a generally applicable unit. Either you have the things she wants or the means to get the things she wants (Alot of which is locked behind gacha) and she’ll make a great addition to your account or you don’t and shes not ideal in that situation.

     If you like things about acheron like her design, animations, ect, you shouldn’t have to worry to much about picking her up like you said you have the means to get S1, and while not totally ideal you can just play her with kafka and bs and it should be fine.

     If you’re just looking to pick up a strong unit for your account i’d pass on her for jingliu since shes far less restrictive and has compelling lc options that aren’t locked behind gacha, and gets to make use of the broken harmony units like sparkle who you already have & will be re-running with the aventurine banner.

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   • Q: How strong is Acheron?
     A: The strongest DPS so far.

     Q: Does Acheron rely on her light cone to be good?
     A: I don’t think so. GNSW is good enough for her light cone. Her signature light cone allows her basic and skill to stack an additional crison knot but she mainly relies on her nihility teammates to stack for her. The signature light cone would be a minor portion of her “energy” gain.
     Also, she doesn’t need the signature light cone to fully activate the Pioneer set’s effect, because she assigns -20% element res to each enemy when she casts her ult, lasts until her ult is finished, and the said effect counts as a debuff. That’s to say, even without her signature light cone she can still fully activate the Pioneer set.

     Q: Does Acheron rely on some specific teammates to be good?
     A: I don’t think so. Pela and Gui are good enough for her teammates. Just tune their speed up and you will see Acheron gaining Crimson Knots in a crazy speed. Preservation + Trends of the Universal Market is a great synergy for Acheron and you only need S1 for the purpose. Even if you don’t have the said light cone you may just use Gallagher for the sustainer, who assigns debuffs to the enemy with his ultimate and enhanced basic attack. Despite seemingly limited options but that’s just fairly enough and many of them are F2P.

     Q: Should I pull for Acheron if I have a built Jing Yuan?
     A: I don’t think you should do that unless you love Acheron more than Jing Yuan. You don’t really need 2 Thunder-type DPS for MoC. If you are determined to do so, remember that the salsottos set is good on Acheron, too
     Despite having element res reduction that doesn’t mean Acheron ignores enemy weakness type. Element res has no lower limit and can be substracted to negative. Acheron does more damage to Thunder weak and fewer damage to Thunder res as usual, just she suffers less from Thunder res than those without element res reduction.

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   • it bcz she depends with her sign to do insane damages while f2p lc can’t

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   • shes more inclined towards to p2w right now as of lack of f2p/LC sub outside of her sig LC

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   • Reminds me of the old Raiden Shogun’s page on the Genshin’s Honey. I believe she got around 50+ pages of comments before the comments got purged due to Honey’s website revamp.

     Kafka + Black Swan team is the pinnacle of Nihility right now. Really viable at both MOC and PF. If you have both + LC + Ruan Mei/Silver Wolf, you’re set for a looong time.

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2. Will E1 be at least put her on par with Jing Yuan? I am planning to pull, but I feel she is a wasted pull since I already have a well built Jing Yuan. I also have Jingliu and will plan to get Sam/Firefly. I just hope I won’t just bench her if I did get her.

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   • She’s a rainbow DPS, she’ll work against any weakness not just lightning
     Also S1 >>> E1 for her

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   • i cant stand this anymore. as long as you have built nihil characters that are even 4 star she will outperform JY at E0. do not believe the doomposters on here saying that she is doa and wont be relevant. not saying that jy is a bad unit, but he is flawed and even if rng goes your way acheron will still be as good if not better. and doubly dont believe people saying that the meta will shift away from her and more towards jy, her best teammate literally hasnt even come out yet

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3. with e6, will Inert salsotto affect the basic and skill damage as well or only Ult

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   • E6 will amplify damage from ult dmg buffs from traces and relic set. The main problem: removing “Knots” from enemies will gives us for 3 turns so much ULT DMG, that Salsotto will give too little impact.

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4. Bad news! It seems that Acheron will pnly be relevant for 2.1. After that, the games shifts towards harmony units once more and then Fua . Maybe on 3.0 Acheron will be relevant again.

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   • Good news! No-one becomes irrelevant in HSR as the devs have managed to finely balance and make content for all playstyles to shine.

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     • Blade is almost non-existent now

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       • Acheron is one version away from joining him.

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       • Blade, really?
         https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/pure-fiction
         https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos/

         Wow, seems incredibly non-existent to me. Next time, refrain from speaking out of your a….

         **preparing for incoming Prydwen whining and slandering**

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       • and yet he is almost the perfect unit you can slot him anywhere

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       • Blade was the character who got me my final star against something unto death this patch, non-existant my ass

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       • are we playing the same game or are you just fcking blind dumb and ignorant?

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       • oh no is your streamer/favorite CC doesnt use blade anymore due to bad AI auto control?
         well too bad he will be relevant until this game dies

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   • idk who told u this but 2.4 were most likely going back to xianzhou cause they mentioned it on the livestream and were getting a certain nihil character thats tailormade for acheron

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   • Bad news for whom, exactly?

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   • Just check leaks for Jiaoqiu. This unit will buff ULT-damage, reducing enemy DEF, apply debuff with every attack and give team healing. Even if number will be low this one unit change meta and allow to ignore sustain in team and E2 that open space in team for Harmony unit to buff outputt damage even more.

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   • i reco to ignore this guy, every unit is always relevant its just based on your build as long you clear any stage of MoC in 10 round and get 60k in pf thats good enough. Ignore the guy that say hey this unit cant do moc in 0 rotation or hey this guy isnt meta.

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   • What does this even mean ? Are you talking about MoC buff ?

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   • sure, except for the facts that
     1) she has top tier damage as a lightning dps without having to suffer jy’s rng
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     2) her best teammate is literally coming out in during the 2.0 cycle.
     so basically youre completely wrong. stop doomposting just cuz you blew jades on jy man, it’s not a good look.

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5. Acheron ultimate got nerfed huh
   It was ignore enemy res
   Now it’s ignore 20% enemy res

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   • Source? Unless you’re one of those people who actually don’t know the difference between toughness bar and enemy resistance?

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   • It was always 20%

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   • Im pretty sure it was always something like that? I’d need to recheck all the changes to be sure tho. Maybe you mistakened it with her ult ignoring element type?

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   • learn to read..clown..

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   • another guy that hates to read the yugioh long skill description
     kindly dont speak when you dont have the reading comprehension of atleast a highschool graduate

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6. E2 VS LC?

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   • If you can E2 go for E2, if you afraid of losing go for LC 1st. Just remember E2 you need to win 3 50/50. For LC you need to win 1 50/50 and 1 75/25

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   • If you think you can go for E2, go for E2. If you afraid of failing 50/50 go for LC, just remember E2 = 3 50/50 need to be win, while going for E0+LC = 1 50/50 and 1 75/25.

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   • E2 vs LC = 56% vs 99%
     (with 300 tickets no pity and on 50/50, 75/25)

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   • the 75/25 just a statement, there is no proof you get 75/25 chances, the reason is
     i always lose 75/25 on lc banner that’s why i never pull lc. now if you think logic
     is there possible if i keep getting lose on 75/25 chances every single patch?

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7. Something new is known about Acheron.

   An enemy gains a stack of Arcana at the begining of a wave does NOT stack for Acheron.

   An enemy summoned by another enemy during the process of an action and enters combat with a stack of Arcana YES stack for Acheron.

   An enemy takes damage from DoT, causing it to gain debuff at the begining of their turn does NOT stack for Acheron.

   An enemy takes damage from DoT during the process of a character’s action and it gains debuff for this YES stack for Acheron.

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   • Dimension type techniques (such as Welt’s technique) YES stack for Acheron.

     Attack type techniques that adds debuff to the enemy by either the technique’s effect, the character’s talent, or the character’s light cone YES stack for Acheron.

     Luocha’s talent deploying a field causes the enemy to gain a debuff (E4+ required) YES stack for Acheron.

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     • Do different dimension type techniques stack? For example, Welt’s technique and Huohuo technique – will that count as two separate debuffs or only one to her stack counter?

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       • Only 1 dimension can be active at a time, and Huohuo’s is not a dimension.

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         • Omg I played since release and never knew that… thanks

       • Huohuo’s technique is not a dimension but YES stacks for Acheron.

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         • Nice, one good point on pairing Huohuo with Acheron.

8. People who play Hoyoverse games have this tendency to just outright ignore the options that don’t fit every requirement. I saved hella pulls and pre-farmed for Acheron and seeing people say she’s shit or she’s whale-bait feels super disappointing. I’m a low spender player, I’ve maybe spent $80 total over the span of the game’s life (I’ve never bought jades or pulls directly, only SR Pass and BP) and I’ve been playing since version 1.0. I have SW with her event LC, Welt E2, and Luocha. I feel extremely confident I can make a fairly viable and actually quite strong Acheron build with these characters. Even beyond using just Nihility though, there’s still so many valid options for debuff application. Like you said, Black Swan, Guinaifen, Sampo, Fire Trailblazer, etc, etc. People feel this extreme need to absolutely tear anything that isn’t meta into the ground and it’s so unnecessary. I’ve been following Acheron’s leaks for about a month now, and it’s crazy to me how many people are willing to absolutely tear a character to shreds without their kit being fully revealed by devs. Games like HSR are more than just stat games. You can’t just look at a percent and assume a character’s good or not. Admittedly, however, I do understand why some believe Acheron is really only at her best is APS (Her sig LC), but I also feel that this is very true with many characters. A character will ALWAYS be better when matched with their best-in-slot, Acheron is no different.

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   • ‘lol Acheron still Mid, easy skip” – Said some doomposter with -1 IQ

     Majority of doomposters like 90% is just saying BS cause they either dont have enough jades for pulls or just some attention seeking basement dweller. Acheron only downside is requiring to have 2 Nihility at E0 to work. As for LC, all character is technically 100% peak performance with their Sig LC. Don’t mind the doomposters too much, instead try to see the characters flaw points these trolls point out and see if you can build such character with your current loadout.

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     • “Acheron only downside is requiring to have 2 Nihility at E0 to work”, that what those that you call “doom poster with -1 IQ” said.
       How did you get the “90% are just saying that because they have no jades” stats? You literally have no way of knowing this; but here you are calling people who said exactly what you said dumb and throwing out starts with no base to sound smart.

       For you Macri, it is just a game, if you feel the need to pull for a character because you like her do it, I myself will.

       But in almost every tense conversation, there are those with fact, and those that try to cope.

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       • Ok lemme ask you, if not Acheron then who do you think is the strongest at E0 and no LC? come, give me a good one.

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         • dude Acheron only starts to work with 2 other nihility, keyword STARTS TO WORK. that means she’s at her baseline ONLY when she’s with 2 other nihility.

           that’s the whole point the person you replied to said and the reason why so many ppl doubt Acheron will be any good

           and to answer your question, just look at the banner after acheron

         • Jingliu. She can brute force anything with a 3* LC and the f2p nameless team, then later with the Herta’s Destruction LC. She can do well without her signature LC.

           This may sounds weird, but I’m forever thankful to the people who designed her into a very f2p friendly character. It’s not coincidence she got dropped on the day HSR PS5 went live.

         • By Starts to work with 2 other nihility, if she can destroy Sam in 1 Bankai, sure why not?

         • @Stranger Opinion thank you very much about last time and good luck with your Acheron pull too.

           Yah, if a unit still very strong with any cheap teammates or next to no cost LC, even S-1 (LC with wrong path) then they’re very ftp friendly… tbh i don’t really understand what doomposter using as criteria to defining “ftp friendly unit”… they’re all on par at minimal investment departure, no?

           Jingliu is indeed one of the strongest and having many supports who also fortunately enough to be more compatible with Pela than others. her technique that freeze all really helping us cheat those annoying niche foes. all while having extreme damage per round.

           But going up in investment then, every dps do not scale the same, and i would say while initially Seele don’t having as much power tools as Jingliu, she’s a far more efficient buffs receptor and can outscale Jingliu with her premium team. even with Herta LC her damage output still absurd with her best team.

           If we comparing those scenario, we can see why Acheron minimal investment are little in comparison while already having impressive performance that continue to scale to greater extend like Seele. so yeah i hope jj hh and those minority doomposters will come to understand sooner.

   • 99% of the time the idiots doomposting about characters are disregarding the fact the game is brain dead easy and you can beat almost all of the content in the game with f2p characters and f2p lightcones. all they care about is seeing the biggest numbers and most optimized strats because they’re obsessed with being perfect. Ignore them, they’re an extremely annoying vocal minority of the game’s community

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     • Disagree. This is not Genshin Impact where you can dodge, kite, abuse elemental reactions, and switch characters at will. In HSR you need to fight the opponent face to face, both offensively and defensively. Your number vs their number. Not to mention certain enemies have resistance and gimmicks that can only be brute forced by certain limited characters.

       Can you complete the game only with f2p characters? Sure, but it won’t be easy. Calling it “brain dead easy” is simply being ignorant.

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       • I think the definition of f2p characters is not 4-star characters, but includes some limited characters that a f2p account can afford using f2p jades.

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         • I mean if you skip a banner or two you can get that character 100%.

         • Yes I’m aware. I include that logic on my comment. I know I got lucky to have Jingliu as a fresh f2p player. I’m pretty certain the experience of .vs deer boss is different between me and those who lost their 50:50 to Yanqing or Clara as their main dps. Heck, even with Jingliu, there are bosses that I can’t just brute force with her, such as Cocolia (+ daughter) and Sam.

           My point still stands: the game is not “brain dead easy”.

         • @Random Internet Stranger Opinion Sam feels designed specifically to prevent us from enjoying Jingliu =(((

         • @Dnoyr sorry just saw your comment and yep 🥲

           Funny that Sam literally embraces fire as his power yet he has no ice weakness. Devs probably realized they can’t have Jingliu steamrolls everything lol

       • Agree, to me the braindead easy argument always made it feel like the person who wrote the message either never actually played any endgame content, always did with top tier units or is just exaggerating stuff for the sake of it.

         I’ve been playing the game from day 1 and I can safely say that the only endgame that is truly braindead easy is pure fiction, because you either ace it or can’t do it. There is nothing braindead about MoC, especially since 11 and 12 were added, and there’s especially nothing braindead about SU endgame (SD and G&G), and I’m saying this as someone who plays some carefully invested comps, speed tuned teams, even LC and eidolons for some.

         If you’re saying that you could log in every day, run your mediocrely built E0S0 Blade with Tingyun, Bailu and Serval (the most random, braindead and antisynergic comp I could come up with) and clear MoC 12 with enough cycles left to call it braindead easy, then you’re right, I’m probably just bad at the game, but I seriously doubt that is the case.

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   • hoyo gamers trying not to be a total nerd for 1 sec (impossible)

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9. Yes if you already have a lightning AOE dps there is no need for another. It’s quite rare for both sides of MOC or PF to need that same key element.

   Even if Acheron has an ability to ignore the weakness type, that is only on her burst and getting her burst can fluctuate depending on if team gets CCed which is probably why Penacony enemies have been having like no CC that freezes/imprisons to make playing the Penacony chars a little better

   Outside of her burst, her lightning damage would be so weak against non lightning weak enemies

   At least Boothill is rumored to have a way to implement physical weakness, gain break effect, and turn advance himself as a cyborg cowboy and doing actual Bleed damage

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   • spoken like a true f2p, mint picker or meta slave
     its a gacha game, pull for whoever you want all the characters are good
     if you want to get characters in order to clear moc or pf, i would rather miss on the extra 60-120 primos here and ther, then pull for characters i dont like or want to play.
     i have both jing yuan and kafka and im getting acheron as well, could not care less that they are the same element

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     • I mean that’s cool that you don’t care, others do care which is why they ask XD

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10. does the guinafen firekiss work as debuff for acheron stack?

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    • there’s no reason why it wouldn’t count, right? so i’m sure it works with her

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    • seen some showcases of her in actual gameplay and i noticed that when she casts her ultimate she’s all alone n none of her teammates show up. wonder if that means that she pulls enemies into some kind of pocket dimension

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      • I’m pretty sure this was talked about in the 2.1 stream

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    • yes

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    • Acheron ult stack only increase if the enemy get a debuff during your character’s action, so if guinafen apply fire kiss at the beginning of enemies turn it wont increase acheron ult, but if the firekiss applied when guinafen use ult then the stack increase

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    • It’s don’t. It’s official from youtube video. Firekiss like any DOT are triggered before enemy take there action. However if enemy defeated from DOT and it’s blow can apply debuff to enemy around this will count for action and give one stack. Even so Gui still can be very good since her basic attack can apply debuff and with E1 she can give stack with any action. Light Cone “Trend of the Universal Market” either give one stack during enemy turn when owner take incoming attack.

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