295 responses to “Sonntag”

1. “Single target buffs is dogshit”. Bro is forgetting that my homie Sunday buffs not only buffs one target, but increases those same buffs to it’s summon. Many of the Remembrance units will happen to have 2 roles with 1 slot in the team. Probably some of them shall have DPSlike features besides the invocation mechanics. Theoretically, 2 DPS units will share the buffs. This can be proven by the showcases with Topaz, who now hits 2 Numby attacks with her skill and follow up without the skillpoint issue. Not only it contributes for better uptime to the ult, it is accompanied with the 40 minimum energy points given by Sunday’s ultimate. Apart from the other things he can do et cetera.

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   • These concerns are fine to have considering HSR’s track record so far when it comes to ST buffers. You can’t compare Topaz (sub-dps) to Sunday. That makes no sense.
     People who have concerns about him have it because remembrance as a path is basically every path combined together. You have to understand that Sunday as a unit is a unit that buffs crit and is focused on hypercarry. But what of remembrance who might be DoT or break? What of remembrance units that require double dps much like how FUA team with Topaz wants it? This is why people are worried. It’s not that Sunday himself is bad like how Sparkle was bad since day 1, it’s that Hoyo might make things for him bad. Phasing him out even in his own niche (servants) because these said servants might require a whole different buffer due to having archtype/gimmick that Sunday can’t support.

     Take Bronya as an example. She isn’t bad buffer all. She is great and has carried 1.X patches on her back basically. However, meta hard shifted during 2.X patches, shifting way more in favor of team-wide buffers like RM and Robin. This is not to say that Bronya doesn’t have her niche up to this date, but that’s what it is right now for her, a niche. Not many own Boothill and average player couldn’t care less for 0-cycle thing done for yt videos (even those videos do it through private server over their own actual accounts). Bronya is good for what she does, but the issue is that what she does is less desirable in the game right now vs what other buffs like Robin or RM offer.

     I’m not on the train of doompost Sunday. You can even see my every post made right here and I’m not someone who is promoting the narrative that he is bad. I’m just saying why I understand the concern. Team wide buffers like RM and Robin are simply better on default because they have better guarantee to stay longer, having more team options even outside of their own specialty. When you have ST buffer like Bronya and Sunday, then they are far more restricted and do require particular meta (hypercarry one) to pop off.
     Either way, you can always get him on rerun if you want to be on more safer side by seeing if he will be good with a unit you might care for. Just see both RM and Robin for those who skipped them the first time. Both got rerun when Hoyo wanted to sell a certain unit that followed their niche. I can see the same for Sunday as such.

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   • wait until robin-ass like char release, this this chicken boi will be kicked out for sure. ST too risky in these days let alone we are going to have all remembrance chara that already get introduced. so chance for chicken boi to get powercreep is super duper ultimately intimate cumming fast.

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2. This guy is cooked, single target buff is not a way for harmony units to survive nowadays. Now, to bury this guy further into the ground, we wait for homoverse to make a female team wide buffer for summons and servants. Yeesh, I was waiting for this guy to powercrept everyone, but it does not seem he will last long in the meta.

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   • Yup. This. Just imagine Robin but with an ability to advance forward EVERYONE including servant. I can totally see that she (yes, a waifu, pandering to 90% of their customers) is one of the characters shown in the newest trailer.

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   • spreading misinformation are we? that harmony unit you’ve been talking about just buffs hp consuming characters also even if she buffs teamwide it doesn’t affect servants as servants are seperate entities

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   • Agreed 100%. Not only that but Sunday releases on Dec 4th and the next character with a summon is in Jan. People who pull Sunday literally need to wait until an entire month to use him if they dont have jing yuan or lingsha.
     This makes him seriously such a bad investment.

     Not only that, Fugue and Firefly come out near end of December on CHRISTMAS which people get triple pay check (only in DEC), when kids get their Christmas money, and when responsible 20ish year olds already bought enough RRSP or 401k to reduce their taxes for the year. It’s so obvious Sunday banner will make MUCH LESS than Fugue and Firefly that its not given a contest.

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     • He literally gives crit rate, crit damage, skill points, advance, cleanse, energy… And you say there will be no one to use him with? Please, don’t be a fool, he’s a better Bronya, and he is shown to be used with many units even without having summons. Summon advance is only a bonus, not the limitation

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3. You know this game is cooked when people now look at the harmony support unit and have second thoughts about pulling it due to rampant powercreep, even when it comes to support units. 

   It doesn’t help that these worries are absolutely justified as Sunday is looking like second Sparkle—a test run unit before a Robin-like unit comes out. It doesn’t need to be harmony! R|MC is already basically a sub-buffer. A sub-buffer with Team-Wide buffs. How long until a limited version of that comes out? Who is also to say that limited version of that will be synergetic with Sunday and not completely push him out of the same teams that would want Sunday? Just because R|MC doesn’t steal his job completely and kind of wants him in team with them, it doesn’t mean that R|MC Pro Max will be remotely the same as the only thing stopping R|MC from completely replacing Sunday is that their servant needs ER buffer. That’s literally it! That’s the only thing holding Sunday on a string as “synergetic” with R|MC.

   This is extremely problematic. Even CN is having concerns about this, and these guys are the main whales for this game, yet even they tire of pulling units that might be benched in the very near future. Hoyo is literally killing this game by forcing Hi3-like powercreeps in it. There is a reason why Hi3 itself died and crashed. The largest reason being the rampant power creep that made your every previous investment feel worthless. 

   You can’t milk your fans forever, expecting them to keep on playing, especially when each year more and more gacha come out. Gachas that have way more to offer. Hoyo should get that into their head before it’s too late. They killed Genshin for lots of people and now are trying to pull them back when it’s too late. ZZZ is nowhere near as popular as Genshin or HSR among average players. HSR is their current biggest cashcow, yet they do everything in their power to kill it and sabotage it with atrocious dead patches and rampant powercreep that drives away their older players.
   A new player either isn’t going to stay for long once they too start feeling the effects of power creep. 2.0-onward patches were abomination when it comes to powercreep, and I already see 3.0-onward versions being even bloody worse. Seeing certain leaks, IT WILL BE MILLIONS TIMES WORSE!

   Lastly, it also doesn’t help that Hoyo keeps gutting fan favorite characters, or characters players care about, with their powercreep BS. 
   Jing Yuan was a beloved character in CN since always, and they gave him that kit. Sure, he will have returned with Sunday, but for how long? A single patch before Hoyo inflates their stupid content even more?
   Blade was also beloved by many, yet he got butchered. I don’t need to explain Kafka (girl is the main reason why so many jumped onto this game), yet they ignored her and keep ignoring her. DHIL reveal was meant to be a big thing, a big moment, first 4* to get 5* alt… gets thrown in trash half patch later. Ok, Jingliu was another character fans were expecting, so at least she might fare bet—NEVER BLOODY MIND! Hey, at least she lasted 2 patches over half one. So, there is that. Don’t forget to pick your Jingliu on a rerun when content does everything in its power to bring her down. 
   2+ patches managed to make all of this worse even more! Powercreeps in 1+ patches are downright cute compared to atrocities committed in 2+ patches.

   People are tired of this crap, and it will only get worse (this game is more dead) as HSR keeps pushing even bigger powercreeps. Judging by leaks again, they won’t seem to stop. 

   Tl;dr: I wouldn’t pull Sunday if I were any of you. Especially when there aren’t a lot of good servants and the only good one (3.2) cares way more for the HP buffer that will be in 3.1. If he ends up having any true value, then grab him on damn rerun, as he is bound to rerun by then. Probably Fates collab might bring value to him, but this is a big maybe, and this game isn’t worth the gamble when it comes to any unit that might require a harder investment. Sunday does, as his cone is basically a must. Otherwise, good look buying 3 copies of Bronya’s cone to make replacement. Not worth it!

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   • ragebait used to be ragebelievable

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     • Rage bait? Which part? Part that people are sick and tired of power creep in this game? Part that many are having second thoughts about getting Sunday because they might pull another Sparkle before next Robin comes out? You are living in your damn bubble if anything that I said looks like unfounded rage bait to you.

       Even in this place, with way fewer people, you have people worried about the exact same things that I mentioned in my post. Judging by certain comments. That they might be pulling a gamble on a unit that a) might be only good for 1 to 2 characters max and b) that they will spend their resources on a unit that will be left in the dirt when the team-wide version for summon supports comes out. There are already summon units with multiple summons. Sunday already can’t buff them all and needs hypercarry servant meta.

       3.2 girl in particular wants a double DPS team with the guy from 3.1 and the harmony that she requires in this team is also from 3.1 because she has TEAM WIDE BUFFS! This is a servant unit, by the way. Anniversary unit that is meant to be broken. A unit that Hoyo will want to shill the most. A servant unit that is meant to be the start of true servant meta, yet she already doesn’t want Sunday but completely another buffer? Do you see how bad THIS ALREADY IS!? 

       So, which part is the rage bait? Rage bait because I brought up a genuine concern shared by the majority of players? Even the CN community itself? The community that whales the most for these games? They are also being the ones who have these big concerns about Sunday and due to how HSR powercreep works. They are worried that they might fall for another Sparkle, only to be greeted with some team-wide support that will make Sunday look like an absolute joke. This is coming from a community that wastes their entire salary on these types of games. This same community is having these concerns. Yet, you are trying to gaslight me that I’m just haha baiting? Get over yourself.

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       • ok

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       • I would like a source to all of that.

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         • Seconded. With Harvard referencing as well haha

     • He may exagerate but he kinda has a point.

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     • It’s a long read, but he’s right.

       I own almost all of the old characters. Seele, Silverwolf, Kafka, Blade, Luocha, Fu Xuan, Jingliu… it’s sad that I don’t use them anymore because there’s no point.

       We cannot just simply ignore this fact, especially when HSR older sibling Genshin are still manage to make their 1.0 characters viable.

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   • Idk man…
     Change my mind…
     Robin e6 is timeless. 🩵

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   • Love how certain crew is trying to make this user seem as if they are speaking some sort of blasphemy when every single word said in this very long post is accurate.
     People make fun of Sparkle now, but Sunday has same issues as unit that she herself as a unit had that made her the victim of powercreep that we see now.
     3.1 girl is already confirmed team wide buffer and although she might not be glorified servant pusher like Sunday, the fact that she is team wide buffer and her buffs are going towards being generalist (dmg and possibly pen ratio), already puts Sunday in a funny situation as the only thing that might keep him going as a buffer is the fact that he pushes servants. Crit based servants and hypercarry ones to be exact. DOT/Break/dual dps servants are considered and Sunday is bloody useless for them. Meaning he already isn’t RM/Robin for his own niche, but very specific niche among the niche which is hypercarry servant dps.

     Sunday lovers can seeth all they want, but I’m not pulling a “maybe” unit that might not even have a single character that I want that might require them. If such thing happens, then reruns exist. It’s that simple.

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     • All I asked for is a source. Is that so evil to do?
       T-T

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   • They hated Jesus for speaking the truth. I have Kafka and she definitely doesn’t feel too great anymore, but at least I’m able to use her in MOC. But Jingliu? She feels shitty to play and I pulled her LC. Silver Wolf is absolutely unusable because Jiaoqiu exists. My Jingyuan has been trash for a long time and he’s only now gonna be usable and that’s probably not gonna last long. Sparkle isn’t great. So I feel like I wasted jades and time on these characters. And it does make me second guess my choices now

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4. I wanna post on “New in 2.7” page but somehow I can’t open it so here it is.

   Sunday will join Robin and RM to become top 3 Harmony. A certain Elation follower could never. 10/10 must pull.

   Pulling for Fugue while the break meta is coming to the end? Is it a sound investment in terms of Warren Buffett’s investment philosophy? (I mean, she’s a questionable investment).

   And things get complicated now. Will I still be able to clear all endgames before getting dps of the new meta? (If not Fugue will be a must for me) But Sunday is so tempting for future investment? Rip me.

   Nah don’t pull out “pull for who u like.” The only char that I like is Robin. I can go meta for the rest, no problem. E6s5 Robin is easier to get than my girl cuz of the amount of pulls HSR gives compared to Genshin (in other words, I’ll, eventually, while still playing meta game).

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   • Sunday is certainly safer bet than Fugue, if you are going with meta train. Servant meta will be heavy in next world, at least for first half of it. We are already having beta tests with Aglaea + RMC (sub-dps and sub-buffer) + Sunday (main buffer). Anniversary unit is also servant oriented and you can bet she will be broken on sole account of being an anniversary unit. Sunday as such has bigger meta pull value if this is all you care about and don’t want to pull both banners in 2.7.

     Fugue, so far, is mostly just HMC replacement because MC will be taken to servant meta next, together with Sunday as a duo (judging by how it is going with Aglaea so far).

     To make it more clearly: Do you have Firefly/Boothill/Rappa that you religiously play? Pull Fugue as HMC will be needed elsewhere and Fugue will also help them keep up due to exo toughness once 3.X brings even bigger powercreepfest than 2.X patches.
     You don’t have these units and/or don’t care for break in general and just wish to go with whatever meta archtype will be shilled the most next? Sunday is your man.

     Lastly: I would wait for 3.2 servant unit to come out instead of jumping with Aglaea. Because if we go with meta talk again, I’m certain that this 3.2 girl will be way more meta than Aglaea because she is both anniversary banner, plus comes out after Aglaea and we all know that HSR loves to make newer toy better than the last one on average when it comes to dps.

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     • who’s the anniversary unit? I’m a bit behind on leaks

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       • Castorice

         hehe imagine if she was on standard

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         • She is anniversary unit. In no universe would they put an anniversary unit on a standard. Especially this one.
           If anyone takes standard bullet, it will be Aglaea.

       • Castorice, pink haired elf girl. An expy of popular Hi3 character. Personally I don’t give a damn for Hi3 (it lost its plot when Otto was out of picture), but she is a literal writer’s pet. I’d be damned if they don’t make her giga broken.

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         • Hm? Who is Castorice an expy of?

           I see Elysia, Kevin, maybe Su and Senadina, and very maybeee Kalpas (tho his face is this hidden)

         • I thought Cyrene was the expy of the popular Hi3 character. Well to be fair, most of the Amphoreus characters are expys of the Flame Chasers.

         • Cyrene is absolutely the Elysia expy, not castorice lol

   • But what if Sunday gets the same treatment they did to Sparkle?

     Looking really good with the new path, but then the second harmony unit from 3.X that pops up is Robin part 2, making Sunday look weaker because that new harmony unit buffs the entire party and not just one character as Sunday does?

     If you ask me, Star rail units are a complete gamble, if Sunday leads most of the new version that would be a good investment, but we don´t know that just yet.

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     • sooner or later there will be a action forward all allies like Robin specialized for Summon only, only then Sunday will be useless otherwise he won’t

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     • Sparkle was a bait and damn useless without E2S1 since very start. She wasn’t even good with units like DHIL, that she was designed for as she was completely anti-synergetic with him if he was E2. In which case, you would be better of pulling 2 copies of DHIL to upgrade him, over wasting your pulls on Sparkle that is just a minor upgrade compared to his E2 and she can’t even function with him on E2. Sparkle was always trash. Robin didn’t make her into one. She just made her shills shut up after gassing her up and pretending that Sparkle was anything but Bronya side-grade unless E2S1. Not even true Bronya upgrade prior to E2S1. You just fell for her trailer and CC’s shilling her left and right.

       That being said, can I see Powercreep Rail release Robin-like unit somewhere in the future? Yes. I can. However, it doesn’t seem to be anytime soon judging by what is releasing up to 3.3. There is harmony in 3.1 but she has jack to do with summons. Meaning, Sunday has at least 4 months of no competition.
       If we go with RMC though and since MC is always test for 5* limited, then based on said RMC we can see that RMC rather just covers Sunday’s weakness of ST, rather then compete with him. If anything, you want both in the same team in the same way you wanted RM and HMC.
       Sunday’s only issue so far is that he needs servant units to be good to truly kick off. Luckily for him, 3.2 unit (anniversary one) is servant unit and she seems to be the next big powercreep based on how she is being hyped.
       The there is Fates collab and I can see them being summon based units.

       Now the thing that would be anti-Sunday even in his own niche is that remembrance is the biggest bs path that has every path together under its name. Meaning, if DoT remembrance unit came or break one, then Sunday has no value there.

       With all that being said, if you are that scared of powercreep that might happen 4+ months from Sunday’s release then you would just be better of not even bothering with this game in the first place. Just don’t pull anything unti EoS so you can be certain that these last days units won’t ever be powercrept.

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       • All right dude, I’m bringing bird boy to my crew, I’ve done worst mistakes like pulling Blade and Jingliu with their lightcones.

         Sunday can’t be worse than that.

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       • Sparkle wasn’t designed for DHIL. He already had units to play with, like Yukong who actually buffs everything he needs, Luocha and Tinyun. Sparkle has always been for the full quantum teams. For QQ and Seele. It’s only logical Sunday steps over her for DHIL

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5. why till now admin haven’t updated yet? it’s v5 already bro the skill tab, etc still v4

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   • I am very disappointed in this site that it always updates so late, pure lazyness.
     I will probably start using another site instead if this doesn’t change for the better.

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     • what other site that discussing leaks? you have more? tell me

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       • Discord has many servers that are dedicated to HSR Leaks and Leak discussions, but that is just one example.

         Also this is not about discussions for me, it is about Character’s Kit not being updated in time properly.
         Sunday’s E1 is still V4 etc. It should be V5 by now!

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         • At first glance we saw no changes, so decided not to update. My bad. CTRLF5

   • dodogama pls

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6. ! ! !

   There are some new Leaks from homdgcat wiki that say that the BananAmusement Park Ornaments are not working with Servants, and only good for Summons on the Action Bar, so the Servants do not get the CRIT DMG from the Ornament.

   What if that means that unless it is called Servant, it is a Summon and Servents are not considered Summons.

   That would mean that Sunday is NOT compatible with the upcoming Servant Meta ! ! !

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   • There’s a strong possibility Bananamusement gets changed and Sunday not working with servants would be ridiculous

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   • Sunday had to be reworked to even work with summons due to his initial pre-beta state only including servants and not current summons. They clearly reworked it to not leave current summon characters (Jing Yuan) behind. Also because there are no servant characters yet in the game. If leaks are correct the first one shall drop patch after Sunday, but many might not care to get her and/or they just wanted to give Jing Yuan that final buff instead of leaving him out.
     So, no. You can be certain that Sunday has no issues with servants as he was originally made with them in mind.

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   • what a ridiculous statement of course he’s gonna work with servants.

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   • Yeah, I hope Sunday will work with Servants, because I am very excited for the “Real Summoner” characters that have on field Summons (Servants).

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   • Ouchies this aged well. Now the Bananamusement Planar Ornament can work with memosprites/servants.

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7. Hoyoverse should buff him more, his kit right now don’t really do much except being a combined version of Sparkle’s and Bronya’s buff. Not to mention it’s only for a single ally/summon, not even one for the whole team. I was really looking forward to pulling him but as of right now it just looks disappointing.

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   • this v3 already it’s almost final so probably there is no change again except wording/grammar in v4 i’m very positive this is Sunday final looks like

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   • According to many scholars on social platforms, he should be nerfed because he is threatening the health of the game because he dared to be better than 2 y/o standard unit and a limited unit like Sparkle that was never even that good without E2S1 minimum. Even though it’s Robin in all these showcases that makes him look that broken, but we don’t talk about that and pretend it’s Sunday being the one that is breaking the game too much.

     Sarcasm to the side V3 is more more or less stopping point for major changes. V4-5 might adjust numbers here and there, but I doubt they will go with some major rework. They never do.

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     • what you said literally exactly the same with the first guy said. what a pointless

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       • Pot called the kettle black.

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       • amazing english, kiddo

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8. Seeing how certain people react to him being strong, I hope they buff him even more. Absolute hypocrites who only cry a river if it’s a dude that dares to be more strong “than allowed” in this game.

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   • Y’all can smug now, but if this continues, Sunday can be powercreeped by some random waifu called Holiday, or idk, Bronya Imibibitor Lunae in 8 months, and that shit worries me.

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     • What are you babbling about it? This isn’t about anyone being smug, but folks being downright hypocrites. Also, “Holiday” has been happening for the this entire game. In case you didn’t notice, HSR is powercreep fest. Especially with 2.0+ patches. Wanna hear the story about my good ol’ pal Luocha and how he fared? How about “she is Kazuha of HSR” know as SW? How many care about mono-qunatum at this point? Does anyone even give a damn about Fu Xuan herself at this point? You know, the sustain unit that everyone thought to be way overtuned back then? I’m sure she is still faring beyond we- Oh, wait! More would rather use 4* sustain that come in 2.0 than touch her with a stick at this point. Remember when Jingliu was thought to be untouchable hill? Remember? Or DoT coming into spotlight and fiddling out just as fast?
       This is not as much that Sunday powercreeps Sparkle as Sparkle being trash since very start. She suffers from 1.0 kit syndrome and it bloody shows. Also, literally every “powercreep” Sunday showcase has Robin, who is the true powercreep to all. Without her the only thing Sunday powercreeps is Sparkle (trash without E2S1) and Bronya (2 year old standard at this point).
       Whole powercreep cries about Sunday are beyond overblown as such. Especially when same people never gave a damn about powercreep, even were asking for it in case of Firefly, yet 1 dude after two years dares to be somewhat OP enough to rival someone’s waifu and it’s the end of the world. It’s hard to take you folks seriously.

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       • Agreed. The hypocrisy is absurd.

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9. I love how powercreep is being cried now everywhere when it’s a male character who might be better than a female one.
   Where was this energy when Fu Xuan and Huohuo made Luocha look like a joke?
   Or Jingliu doing it to DHIL and having entire endgame content bend a knee to her with slapping ice weakness everywhere?
   Ruan Mei still has one of the most overtuned kits to date and I hear no cries about it.
   How about Acheron powercreeping everything?
   Let us not go into the broken territory that is Robin. Sunday himself, even with his current “broken state,” doesn’t even touch Robin due to how broken she is compared to everyone.
   My personal favorite being Firefly beta in which her fans were begging for biggest powercreeps possible because they hated the idea that Boothill was better and also wanted to one-up Acheron mains by having their girl as best.
   Honorary mention to Feixiao too while at it.

   Nobody cried about powercreep during these cases. Many celebrated it or in Firefly’s case, were begging for it! Yet now, when Sunday is good enough that a female equivalent is worse, powercreep matters? Here is a thing, even if Sunday got nerfed, that won’t save Sparkle from being 💩 because both Ruan Mei and Robin made sure that she is never anything but mid. Even Bronya, her standard equivalent, is seen as more preferable for 0 cycle clears because her buffs are more universal, she has cleanse, and 100% AV is always better than 50%. Sparkle always needed E2S1 just to stop being Bronya’s sidegrade, so please! Spare me the cries about Sunday being the one that is making Sparkle look like 💩. She always looked like it unless E2S1.

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   • You saw like two comments about powercreep, you’ll be fine. And people cry “powercreep” about every character, including female ones. Male characters aren’t victims lmao

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     • This many shock you, but this website and its comments aren’t even 1% of actual HSR playerbase. So step outside a little before trying to tell me it’s only 2 comments tops and not thousands after V3.

       As for the other thing: The fact that it’s Sunday that is being cried about when even he is being carried by Robin, the true queen of powercreep, says otherwise. Nobody is crying about Robin, nor is crying about Ruan Mei. Two units that have way more overtuned, broken and powercreep kits than Sunday who is hobo outside of his specific niche in comparison to both of them.
       Let us not even go into Firefly and how her fans were BEGGING for powercreepy because they were mad and seething that she was way worse than Boothill in the beta. Not only did they DEMAND of her to powercreep him, but to powercreep Acheron too because their waifu had to be number 1.
       How many cried about Feixiao while at it? Yes. ZERO!
       Let us go to the present and people are begging for SP Tingyun to be even more buffed and broken, yet with Sunday they cry for nerfs just because Robin is the one that is too broken while Sparkle is mid as hell since day 1.

       Spare me your terrible attempt at sarcasm as such just because you don’t move from this comment section.

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   • OMG, you’re so totally right.
     I hate wankers who cry about male characters being released or male characters powercreeping their waifus.
     Give everyone a chance to enjoy the game, there are billions of OP female characters.
     I’m still waiting for OP Male damage dealer but it feels like it won’t happen ever.

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   • You’re literally the only one crying about past units powercreeping. You’re looking at your own reflection and calling yourself out. His power is fine for a limited 5* Harmony unit.

     Sunday’s kit is doing what it’s suppose to do. His low base speed is a somewhat big factor to reach a breakpoint to surpass other supports. But if you have that much speed on anyone to begin with it’s not like the content is going to be hard anyways.

     Buffs applying to summon only is good for his identity. Having those buffs bleed into his kit to allow for non summon teams helps relieve his restrictive team comps.

     Being powercrept means absolutely nothing in this game anymore. Stop judging characters off other people’s opinions.

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     • You have reading comprehension issue if you took my post as ME crying about powercreeping and not about pointing out how cries of powercreep are only going too strong when it’s a man.
       Whenever it’s a female unit that breaks the game, they slightly mention powercreep and then throw it down under the table because who cares. Nobody is going to cry too hard that Jingliu, waifu, powercrept Imbibitor Lunae who is a guy, or that Acheron made both Lunae and Jing Yuan look like jokes right after they got some form of return to spotlight with 2.0.
       Or, if we are to beat a dead horse, how many cries did Firefly mains shed and have many threats they threw if Firefly doesn’t end up powercreeping Boothill by V3 because initially she was way worse than him.

       Overall, first learn to read before trying to smartass because you are just talking and ranting randomly there.

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       • As I mentioned and many others have before. Powercreep is not a real thing, whether it’s for older characters or newer ones. People like yourself keep echoing the same thing over and over to call for change when the characters ship to live servers as intended and appropriately powered. It’s not a comprehension problem more than it is a emotional issue with other people’s opinions.

         Take it however you like, you’re entitled to it. However, when you rant about other people complaining while probably also condemning the powercreep of older characters, it comes off as hypocritical.

         I am simply pointing out to that powercreep is a pointless topic to be concerned about, but people like you are so over the edge on powercreeping so that you can justify your own feelings.

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       • 1. You’re blowing this out of proportion. You read a few comments without understanding them and immediately regarded them as a powercreep cry. I have seen less complaints about him being overpowered compared to some of the older characters like Robin or the entire break lineup.

         2. The debate on male/female character power levels is moreso a coincidence than a rule. Every new character gets their wave of compliments and complaints. You choosing to ignore some of the comments depending on whether they’re a male or female is completely on you.

         3. Claiming Jingliu powercreeps DHIL is disingenuous. DHIL by far has a much higher damage ceiling than Jingliu. You may disagree but the calculations prove it, so you’re wrong there. Either one can outperform the other depending on the weaknesses of the enemy lineup. They both definitely powercreep the older generation of carries, though.

         4. I will admit Acheron’s case of powercreep is quite substantial, but the meta shifted shortly after her introduction which caused the traditional carries to feel less valuable. Not only Jing Yuan and DHIL, but it also includes Seele, Kafka, Jingliu, Dr. Ratio, Topaz and more. Players definitely criticized this, especially content creators. The fact that she’s a waifu and also named Mei is for consistency within the Hoyo games.

         5. Firefly’s v3 kit nerfed her because her v1 kit was over the top and incomparable by any other unit in the game, even Acheron and well before Boothill even debuted. The devs completely removed defense ignore from her base kit which gutted her crit build so players were upset with that change, not because of the power comparison to Boothill or anyone else for the matter. The idea that people complained about her being weaker than some character is blown out of proportion.

         6. Going back to my original comment, I criticized you your attitude towards the powercreep echo chamber. Just because people dislike a male character’s kit doesn’t necessarily make it a complaint about them being a male character. I’ve read several comments here and majority of it points towards Sunday’s kit being a boring copy paste rather than a powercreep. Unlike Aventurine, Argenti, or DHIL, Sunday’s kit isn’t all that spectacular other than the fact that he’s likely futureproofed for the upcoming meta. In a way it’s a pretty shitty take on his design if I have to say so myself, but again, for what he’s meant to accomplish, his kit does it well.

         So no, it’s not a comprehension issue but a lack of emotional attachment to the characters. It does seem like you are the one crying about the powercreep issue, even if its very specific. It’s best if you don’t try to get too upset over what other people’s opinions are. I’m not going to insult your intelligence because I assume you’re here to stay updated on the changes to his kit rather than entertaining a pointless debate. However, keep in mind the devs know how to limit each character’s kit so they’re able to sell future characters. I’m just reminding you that there’s no reason to be livid over what other people think about a character because these changes aren’t final and there will always be better characters as long as you have the patience for it.

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10. Wtf is his “talent”? They just stripped one line of text from his skill and made a talent out of it, it’s just embarrassing. Completely ran out of ideas for new characters or what?

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    • See also: “Every Harmony in the game so far”

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      • see, i think this argument only applies to like. tingyun and hanya, maybe you could argue bronya and yukong.

        every other harmony unit in the game has a talent with effects that cannot realistically be put anywhere other than a trace maybe? like if you think about asta’s charging mechanics or ruan mei’s extra break damage or sparkle increasing the max no. of SP they’re not really mechanics that would realistically be able to fit in many other places in their kit. sunday’s kit is already so cohesive however that he feels complete as a character even without a game-changing talent so im not too mad either way tbh.

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