Have question about this new 1.5 followup attack relic set – it seems to be BiS for Topaz, but not for Clara? Streetfight Boxing set will still be best for her?
new relic bring huge buff for dot team but what about Firmament Frontline? is really worth farm if you only achieve 135 speed compare space sealing for dot team as well
Im confuse with the changes in grand duke relic. So let’s say topaz use basic or skill. Which is both considered follow up atk. She will get one stack. Can she reached 8 stacks with numby because the 2nd time she’ll attack, to my understanding. Will remove all stacks. Would that also mean. Topaz dont need two turns in a round? Like other dps with very high spd?
Topaz’s skill is basically her follow-up attack, so it’s an 8 hits attack, meaning you instantly get 8 stacks, meanwhile, this set basically makes her NA worthless since you lose all stacks on the next follow-up attack after getting them, so you exchange a boosted NA with 8 stacks, for a measly 1 stack.
As for the second part, no, you don’t need two turn, Topaz, when her ult is up, can launch her skill, trigger the FAU, thus gaining the 8 stacks, and since she’s under ult, numby gets forward by 100%, proc’ing a second FAU directly after Topaz turn.
Uhhh is it just me or has Argenti’s lc been blasted off the site?
I see the name has changed but the icon is gone and when I go to the page it redirects to the character index
Full on Atk%, no speed needed in my opinion but you can run her with 125, speed doesn’t really impact her counter, CR/CD body depending on the LC you’re going to use.
CD body > DHIL LC (115% expected dmg), Her BiS, Atk%, Crit rate and energy regen, everything she wants, but locks you in a AEAE rotation, and not really accessible anymore.
CR body > Her signature LC( 100% expected dmg), it’s really good, brings a little more sustain but doesn’t bring a lot more to her damage and you’re playing even more lottery to actually get it.
> Herta LC(95% at S5), it’s good but not great, behind by a bit against her sig, and by a lot against Daniel LC, she can’t really use the second part of the passive though.
Relics full boxing set and Salsotto and you’re good to go, you can go Hypercarry, she’s not close to Seele, ect level but still satisfying to vaporize enemy after 2 enhanced counter, or launching 3+ normal counter in the same turn.
Her best teammates should be Topaz and Lynx, though she works with a lot of characters, especially March 7th.
I plan to use Lynx with her, I’m not getting Topaz
Would a team of Clara Tingyun Lynx Luka work?
I’m using walk time until I can afford her sig LC (Secret vow is currently my only decent lc and Aeon is reserved for Jingliu) so I need burn/bleed until then and it just so happens I didn’t get Guin in 60 pulls
I have got Topaz after loosing 50:50 AGAIN so 160 pulls 🙁
On the other hand I have lost to E2 Clara so I was actually not even pissed 🙂
Have question about this new 1.5 followup attackk relic set – it seems to be BiS for Topaz, but not for Clara? Streetfight Boxing set will still be best for her?
Clara can’t proc the 4 pieces set fully, she can get up to 3 stacks (18% Atk), compared to the 4p streetwise that give a fast stacking 25% Atk.
As for 2p + 2p, I didn’t do any calc with the new set for set since the new iteration so dunno if it’s better or not.
IMO Clara wants speed boots when you get E1 – usage of her skill gets tons of value then.
Not really if you’re using DHIL LC like I am, it is her BiS but like I said it locks her in a AEAE rotation to keep the buffs active, so no speed still isn’t an issue even with E1 in certain case.
If you’re talking about the new follow-up attack boosting set, well It got change, she couldn’t really use it fully before, but now it’s even worse, it’s a 18% dmg boost on follow + 42% Atk at 7 stacks, but all stack resets when you launch a follow-up, so in her base case scenario, during enhanced counter, you get 3 stack, meaning at best a 18% atk increase.
Compare that to the physical we’re already using that provides 10% phys dmg and 25% Atk, with no duration, no reset, last the whole fight, and stack really fast.
So, no, you didn’t was your 1000 trailblazer power since it is still BiS.
they really made the follow up attack relic shit now maybe they thought its to op so they nerf it in the beta none the less they made it shit so its better to 2pc Follow up attack 2pc anything with follow up attackers
i hope they revamp this because if they gonna add this why nerf it?
The skins already in the game, since March uses it during the story. If we are getting it as a equippable skin, they dont need to do anything more with it, especially not through a beta
i farm kafka and sampo, was about to say : “hmm, not optimized, need to farm again, go to see Huo Huo see the new artefact piece, well i’ll farm in 5 week XD”
Relics will be the one thing I’ll always check up when there’s a reliable leak. That way I’ll know some weeks in advance if a set I’m farming will soon be replaced as BiS, so I won’t farm for substats. Or even better, I’ll for example now know not to spend relic resin to craft a Vonwacq ERR rope when Penacony Land of Dreams may be a better fit for my team.
I dodged a bullet on that one myself, was about to use self-medelling to make an ERR vonwacq rope for asta, luckily got one on the next SU run so now I have a couple resins left for new sets
It’s the best set for all DoT characters not just Kafka (Kafka, Sampo, Luka, Guinaifen, DoT build Serval and most likely Black Swan too unless she gets her own set)
Although re-reading the description it seems to affect all dmg sources I initially assumed it would only affect DoT
It’s fine, this new set bonus is only slightly better than what Kafka already has available. It was pretty much a given we’d be getting a DoT set eventually.
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Have question about this new 1.5 followup attack relic set – it seems to be BiS for Topaz, but not for Clara? Streetfight Boxing set will still be best for her?
new relic bring huge buff for dot team but what about Firmament Frontline? is really worth farm if you only achieve 135 speed compare space sealing for dot team as well
It’s 12% atk+10% dmg bonus vs just 24% atk
Atk is plentiful from other sources so it seems better than SSS
Also Asta exists, and she’s the best Harmony for DoT teams. With her speed buff you can easily achieve the full effect
Im confuse with the changes in grand duke relic. So let’s say topaz use basic or skill. Which is both considered follow up atk. She will get one stack. Can she reached 8 stacks with numby because the 2nd time she’ll attack, to my understanding. Will remove all stacks. Would that also mean. Topaz dont need two turns in a round? Like other dps with very high spd?
Topaz’s skill is basically her follow-up attack, so it’s an 8 hits attack, meaning you instantly get 8 stacks, meanwhile, this set basically makes her NA worthless since you lose all stacks on the next follow-up attack after getting them, so you exchange a boosted NA with 8 stacks, for a measly 1 stack.
As for the second part, no, you don’t need two turn, Topaz, when her ult is up, can launch her skill, trigger the FAU, thus gaining the 8 stacks, and since she’s under ult, numby gets forward by 100%, proc’ing a second FAU directly after Topaz turn.
So maybe it work very well on Topaz and Jing yuan but don’t on clara ?
If it stays like it is now, best relics for Clara will likely be 2pc Ashblazing Grand Duke + 2pc Champion of Streetwise Boxing.
Uhhh is it just me or has Argenti’s lc been blasted off the site?
I see the name has changed but the icon is gone and when I go to the page it redirects to the character index
Same for the “Ashblazing grand duke” relic set which also had a name change
The page didn’t change their link according to their new names so you can still access them by these links :
https://hsr.honeyhunterworld.com/grand-duke-incinerated-to-ashes-relic_set/?lang=EN
https://hsr.honeyhunterworld.com/an-instance-forever-cherished-item/?lang=EN
Uhhh I got Clara trying to get Guin, Shizko how do I build her?
Full on Atk%, no speed needed in my opinion but you can run her with 125, speed doesn’t really impact her counter, CR/CD body depending on the LC you’re going to use.
CD body > DHIL LC (115% expected dmg), Her BiS, Atk%, Crit rate and energy regen, everything she wants, but locks you in a AEAE rotation, and not really accessible anymore.
CR body > Her signature LC( 100% expected dmg), it’s really good, brings a little more sustain but doesn’t bring a lot more to her damage and you’re playing even more lottery to actually get it.
> Herta LC(95% at S5), it’s good but not great, behind by a bit against her sig, and by a lot against Daniel LC, she can’t really use the second part of the passive though.
Relics full boxing set and Salsotto and you’re good to go, you can go Hypercarry, she’s not close to Seele, ect level but still satisfying to vaporize enemy after 2 enhanced counter, or launching 3+ normal counter in the same turn.
Her best teammates should be Topaz and Lynx, though she works with a lot of characters, especially March 7th.
I plan to use Lynx with her, I’m not getting Topaz
Would a team of Clara Tingyun Lynx Luka work?
I’m using walk time until I can afford her sig LC (Secret vow is currently my only decent lc and Aeon is reserved for Jingliu) so I need burn/bleed until then and it just so happens I didn’t get Guin in 60 pulls
Yes, that would work well, still I do have Luka but don’t have him built, so dunno if his damage is actually good outside a kafka team.
Apart from that, she works with a lot of LC so affording her sig shouldn’t be a priority, she mostly is a redirection sub dps unit.
I have got Topaz after loosing 50:50 AGAIN so 160 pulls 🙁
On the other hand I have lost to E2 Clara so I was actually not even pissed 🙂
Have question about this new 1.5 followup attackk relic set – it seems to be BiS for Topaz, but not for Clara? Streetfight Boxing set will still be best for her?
Clara can’t proc the 4 pieces set fully, she can get up to 3 stacks (18% Atk), compared to the 4p streetwise that give a fast stacking 25% Atk.
As for 2p + 2p, I didn’t do any calc with the new set for set since the new iteration so dunno if it’s better or not.
IMO Clara wants speed boots when you get E1 – usage of her skill gets tons of value then.
Not really if you’re using DHIL LC like I am, it is her BiS but like I said it locks her in a AEAE rotation to keep the buffs active, so no speed still isn’t an issue even with E1 in certain case.
I don’t plan to get her e1 anytime soon, unless the game hands me a copy
I’d rather keep Clara slow to keep her buffs up as long as possible
What about those of us who spent a thousand trailblazer power on Clara relics?
If you’re talking about the new follow-up attack boosting set, well It got change, she couldn’t really use it fully before, but now it’s even worse, it’s a 18% dmg boost on follow + 42% Atk at 7 stacks, but all stack resets when you launch a follow-up, so in her base case scenario, during enhanced counter, you get 3 stack, meaning at best a 18% atk increase.
Compare that to the physical we’re already using that provides 10% phys dmg and 25% Atk, with no duration, no reset, last the whole fight, and stack really fast.
So, no, you didn’t was your 1000 trailblazer power since it is still BiS.
Only a thousand? Rookie numbers
…I was joking but that’s actually only 4 days of stamina
Them’s the breaks.
y’all is argenti cool???
like COOL? or …cool?
they really made the follow up attack relic shit now maybe they thought its to op so they nerf it in the beta none the less they made it shit so its better to 2pc Follow up attack 2pc anything with follow up attackers
i hope they revamp this because if they gonna add this why nerf it?
I thought that March 7th’s skin was this patch?
She wears it in the continuance I just don’t think it’s playable yet
I have seen leaks of it and some leaks saying that it would be coming this patch… old news ig.
The skins already in the game, since March uses it during the story. If we are getting it as a equippable skin, they dont need to do anything more with it, especially not through a beta
Kafka users eating too good this update
Kafka mains always eat good
Luka, Guinaifen, a new set, Black Swan in the future +any other DoT unit
I feel bad for those who pre farmed topaz gears and farmed alot of gears for kafka and sampo.
Story of my life
Had just started farming Topaz before this beta started… RIP my 30 crit pieces
And now I don’t think I’ll even roll Topaz and just guarantee Huohuo and SW instead…
i farm kafka and sampo, was about to say : “hmm, not optimized, need to farm again, go to see Huo Huo see the new artefact piece, well i’ll farm in 5 week XD”
Why is that?
Because Topaz & Numby is a follow up attacker, so the new artifact set is perfect for them.
i mean there’s nothing we can do, we cant wait that long yk how can we supposed play the game
Relics will be the one thing I’ll always check up when there’s a reliable leak. That way I’ll know some weeks in advance if a set I’m farming will soon be replaced as BiS, so I won’t farm for substats. Or even better, I’ll for example now know not to spend relic resin to craft a Vonwacq ERR rope when Penacony Land of Dreams may be a better fit for my team.
I dodged a bullet on that one myself, was about to use self-medelling to make an ERR vonwacq rope for asta, luckily got one on the next SU run so now I have a couple resins left for new sets
it seems like only Kafka will need this set since it only ignores def when attacking
It reads ” when dealing DMG” not “when Attacking”, so what you’re saying is more than likely wrong.
It’s the best set for all DoT characters not just Kafka (Kafka, Sampo, Luka, Guinaifen, DoT build Serval and most likely Black Swan too unless she gets her own set)
Although re-reading the description it seems to affect all dmg sources I initially assumed it would only affect DoT
It’s fine, this new set bonus is only slightly better than what Kafka already has available. It was pretty much a given we’d be getting a DoT set eventually.