201 responses to “Phainon”

1. hot take: phainon is actually a very strong character
   why? because his ability to snapshot buffs and resist cc makes him a damage powerhouse

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   • I thought that was a known fact but ok

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   • Snapshotting buffs would be a bigger deal if all recent broken Harmony buffers didn’t have reliable 100% uptime on everything. Sure, if they release a 5 star version of Yukong, with insane buffs that are a pain in the ass to maintain, he would be able to use that better than most, but as it stands out uptime isn’t a problem

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   • -he so sp hungry
     -inhirate spd during transform is very low
     -spd buff from e1 is more shine in PF than moc

     the true winner here is a people who have e6yukong & other premium support with their signature lightcone; mostly sunday for sp issue/e1tribbie for big nuke, since he can snapshot buff & play sustainless.

     but most of his bis team would be broya/sunday,
     until we got another harmony with 100% AAsupport or extra turn mechanic support

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2. I dont get the catastrophism for his kit. I get the cone is pretty mandatory for the base speed increase but other than that he looks like a very strong unit, with its caveats but very strong regardless.

   If his AV was high then he would be way too perfect and Cerydra would lose value. As far as I can tell he’s simply not meant to zero cycle slow bosses or gimmick fights, thats it.

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   • i completely agree, imo no character at all should be meant to zero cycle anything in the game, making such characters would only make the game boring. i honestly see no problem with his kit as long as he’s equipped with his lc, and from all ive seen online he’s able to 1-2 cycle almost every content in the game with the current bis supports. i cant even imagine the switch up people will have on him when cerydra drops-

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     • The way I see it, the problem is not “he can’t zerocycle”, it’s “powercreep will hit him even harder than other dps”.
       To compare, someone like Acheron is, to an extent, a unit with high potential that can be realized with other units.
       A Nihility unit that applies debuffs often, like Cypher? Potential upgrade. A possible sustain with an ult damage debuff? Nihility unit with action advance? Just a decent Nihility debuffer+subdps, somewhat akin to Tribbie but with debuffs? A strong new dot unit? Same thing, all could potentially be upgrades for her team. Granted, at some point it will be just shoehorning Acheron in a comp that doesn’t need her, but if one wants to use her to clear endgame, they might be able to.
       Meanwhile Phainon has to deal the damage himself. Sure, we might get supports who work as subdps without having to be present on the field, but aside from that it’s just his multipliers at work, and whatever oversaturated buffs your harmony units will provide. There’s no wheelchair comp for him in the future, so once he falls off the meta cliff, it’s over. And the way his ult works, you have effectively a hard limit on how many full ults can you get before X cycles. The moment MOC12 hp rises from “full clear in one ult” to “almost full clear in 1 ult”, that’s a massive drop in AV that no new supports(aside from really specific ones) can fix
       Not that it matters much, there are no powercreep resistant units, and dps units fall off faster than others, so you are kinda expected to keep up and get a new dps unit once every few patches anyway. Perhaps with the recent buffing strategy it will change, but for now I don’t see “can resist powercreep for an extra patch or two” as a significant upside.

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       • and so with all of these so called potential Nihility upgrade so far after Jiaoqiu made her compete with the current premium meta or even Phainon with the current support? sub dps for Acheron is BS bc she don’t give anything usefull to her team like Herta’s cdm buff or Castorice’s res pen, unless you run sustainless which never been an optimal set up for most player bc how squishy Acheron team is.

         let’s be honest what y’ll want whose worship 2d animated chars (phainon) as their own delulu god is blatant meta breaking char like Neuvillete

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         • “with all of these so called potential Nihility upgrade so far after Jiaoqiu”
           The first Nihility we got after Jiaoqiu was Cipher, and, in case you missed it, it took several nerfs in a row until she stopped being a straight BIS for her. And there isn’t even that much synergy between them
           “sub dps for Acheron is BS bc she don’t give anything usefull to her team”
           So what? Ratio and Feixiao run supdps units without giving anything useful to the team. It’s the job of a subdps in question to gain something off the maindps. And it turns out it’s quite easy to make a subdps for “I attack many times” or “I deal damage and like debuffs”. Not so much for “I literally delete my team for the majority of the fight”.

         • BS has never been an optimal subdps for Acheron, she just happened to be a unit that applied debuffs no matter what she did. Dotcheron was a thing because by sheer happenstance you had Acheron, and two other dps (BS/Kafka) that both had high debuff application, and didn’t need a third to function.
           But now we have the actual debuffer version of BS/Kafka – Cipher and Jiaoqiu. Cipher has followups that can apply debuffs (with LC) like Kafka, and JQ is a unit that applies debuffs no matter what button he presses. But JQ also brings ult damage and vuln, and Cipher brings her ult (effectively a buff), and even more vuln.

3. Is running three supports and no sustain like Bronya, Tingyun, and RMC good, or should I run my Hyacine and two supports. Mainly for PF, AS, and MoC.

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   • i think for any endgame content, if they aren’t hp scaling/dependent, always run three supports. Non-hp characters don’t really need the buffs Hyacine specifically offers

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   • Some of the highest level runs of the endgame content are done using triple support instead of the double support/sustain. Doing this can really increase your damage but it can leave you open to getting a single character focused down by the enemies if you’re unlucky. Of course, you don’t need sustain if the enemy is dead before they can attack. It really comes down to how good your team is.

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   • Phainon removes his teammates (see Moze) for the majority of a fight, and is quite durable himself. Unless the team is getting one-shotted before Phainon can use his ult, he won’t need sustains at all. Most high lvl content won’t give enough AV to allow a 3rd, or even 2nd Phainon ult anyways.

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4. Correct me if I’m wrong, so if I use Sunday and Ruanmei ultimates, which both ends when characters act 3 times.

   So if I activate both ultima and then I do Phainon Ultimate, since he removes all allies, does it mean that those effect will remain until Phainon ultimate finishes?

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   • It doesn’t affect their duration nor make their buff gone, since Phainon in ult form only sending them away in “Departed” state and keeping the buff to himself. As you probably see, i think there’s few videos leaks out there, show that like Robin ult still works (cuz her ult give aura field, the same way Ruan Mei does), Robin action bar also gone and it means prolonging the buff duration. And yes, any buffer, even buff himself doesn’t go away in ult form, cuz his action bar is “special” (8 extra turn that doesn’t expire your buff, until he go back to normal state)

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5. I have a team comp question.

   I have E0S1 Sunday, but what other team members would benefit Phainon? I have Bronya as well, but I fear that I’d run out of SP pretty quickly with the constant AV. Also, with Dan Heng’s new variant not coming until 3.6 (give or take), who can I use for a sustain until then? For reference I have Luocha, Aventurine, Gallagher, and Hyacine.

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   • Basically, anyone who can target teammates and/or regenerate energy. Tingyun can work.

     Aventurine is not a good idea since no-one on this team has FuA and so he might have trouble maintaining his shield.
     Hyacine has the advantage of being able to target teammates with both ult and skill, at the cost of lots of SP.
     With Gallagher you will need to actively use his skill, which is his only way of contributing to Phainon, and his healing will end if Phainon kills an entire wave during ult (not that Phainon really needs the healing anyways).
     Luocha is interesting, in that if you can get Phainon to be attacked often and trigger Luocha’s autoheal, Luocha can be SP-positive while helping Phainon charge; his healing can also last through Phainon’s ult; otherwise he is pretty much the same as Gallagher.

     The best so far would be Huohuo with both her skill and ult targeting teammates, and energy regen. Lynx might be useful due to her aggro increase, as enemies targeting Phainon also contribute coreflame… which means Preservation March is also useful this way, though her ult is an attacking one, so one less coreflame than Lynx.

     There’s another option if you are confident about finishing the fight in one ult, that is, to go without sustain, since Phainon is really hard to kill, and his teammates won’t be targeted at all during his ult.

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   • I think it depends what’s your choice. Running sustainless in MoC or Apoc would be ideal, since it’s quick and safe. It’s kinda useless to bring sustain (except HouHou for energy and atk buff), since Phainon himself sending them away, keeping them safe, and he can sustain himself too.

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6. Does he needs ATK boots or SPD boots ?

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   • I don’t think Phainon really needs SPD, all he needs is Base SPD like the one on his Signature LC. Phainon’s extra turn scales with Base SPD (not actual total SPD). So, it’s better to use ATK boots to increase his damage.

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   • SPD boots allows him to act before bronya/sunday, giving him 2 more coreflames. ATK boost has a diminishing return since his kit provides 200% ATK, to which you have to add his relics and the supports, which can easily give him more than 350% in total.

     So all in all ATK boots could provide 10% more damage but gives him 2 less coreflames in a comp with bronya/sunday. So both boots are good, they just propose different advantages

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   • For me, i think i would run atk boot, if you bring two or three AV advance on team, it’s not problem.

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7. Why has this comment section turned into a toxic cesspool? Can’t we just be nice and talk about characters normally? Y’all are fighting over things that don’t really matter. Meta this, meta that, just pull for the characters you like and stop the constant arguing. I think phainon is cool and has a unique playstyle, so I’m pulling. If that’s not for you, then that’s okay. Just don’t be toxic towards the people that do like him.

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   • welcome to honey hunter, this happens with every hyped character. If you really want toxicity and doomposting, go look at castorice’s comments. those are on a new level. but man, if you dont wanna see it dont read it. this website is like the #1 spot for losers online with no happiness in there lives (besides twitter) to complain and argue. ignore it, and just use this for looking at new leaks.

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8. Looks like there’s something on HomDGCat but not here: Phainon’s ult turns have random AV between 0%~100%, that is, he gets a random amount of action advance each turn. This means the good news is in action he will get his turns faster than 56 SPD would allow him to; the bad news is that RNG can still screw you up and give you a turn every ~2 cycles.

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9. Does Phainon self-heal on ult give him DMG buff or only from the teammate?

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   • I’m talking about his A4 trace where he gets a DMG boost when healed or shielded.

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   • it says in the ability it can be only from allies

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10. Gonna sound like copy of other guy in comment, but it’s hilarious how much this character exposed femcels as huge hypocrites who are only mad when it isn’t one of their precious gay boys stealing all the screentime & the *budget*. Castorice fans literally got attacked by femcels for this crap. Saying he was handicapped to make her self. As well as his animations made crap because she stole the budget. Funny how there are now cricket sounds when Shitnon clearly stole all animation budget & when character such as Cipher got chopped to make a room for this garbage Gary Stu. What’s the matter? These things are cool now? Disgusting hypocrites.

    Remember how much they cried about Firefly for supposedly being shoved down your throat, despite Aventurine alone having more screentime in a single patch than Firefly in any of the ones she appeared. Ignore the last bit though. Doesn’t fit femcel’s narrative. They also say nothing when this boring Gary Stu with charisma of a void gets shoved down your throat for 4 patches, hogging most of screen time, even making other characters arcs about him, only to remain the most boring mofo in entire Amphoreus still after all these patches 🤡. He is getting another patch, so that makes it 5. 5 patches of this nothing-character wasting screen time, making other character arcs about him because he himself is painfully boring & can only shine through one mid cutscene giving him *aura* (Translation Note: This character is garbage beyond flashy scenes) so his slurpers can act as if he is good character.

    Castorice’s whale baits were supposedly disgusting & I head every kind of misogynistic slur for her for having special wrap animations? Nothing when Shitnon is said to have one too. If anything, these annoying femcels cry that Saber + Archer are getting one too because they wanted him even more special lmao Let us not even go into triple reruns that have Tribbie, Sunday, Sparkle. 2 currently meta buffers with 1 buffer who is getting her BiS in 3.4. Castorice’s reruns look like hobo in comparison as the thing she got was outdated dps from last year, support for that dps which isn’t good outside of her, oh and break support in day & age in which break is dead. Yet this triple rerun caused Shitnon’s femcels to attack Castorice’s fans back then, due to how disgusting & shilling these reruns were.

    Funniest part is how they are selling Firefly skin in this patch so both Fate fans and straight men can carry this nothing-character in sales. That way femcels can pretend that men sell lmao just ignore meta bait rerunrs, anticipated collab, and Firefly skin baits to help this boring mofo to sell at all. If this loser sells, it’s ironically because men pulled out their wallets for their waifus while femcels still sit in their dad’s basement busy fetishizing gay men & complaining about any female that exists in some media because her mere existences gets in the way of their mid gay ships that they keep shoving down everyone’s throat everywhere, acting as if any of them was canon outside of their delusional head.

    The only justice so far is that he is mid as hell when it comes to gameplay. Even worse now after V3. Hope they keep it up. Have him wheelchaired to Cerydra and preservation Dan even further because, if anyone deserves this, it’s this guy’s fans. The most annoying mofos currently in fandom. Constantly attacking others, then playing victims like now when things aren’t looking good for them.

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    • Damn! That was one hell of a speech. Clearly we are dealing with a feminist over here, saying that it’s MEN fault (no women were included in his design making, obviously) if Hoyo made Phainon the way he is. Ok.

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      • She is actually also criticizing women with the word “femcels” so her/his comment is not even feminist is just there to talk bad because of its own frustration I guess

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    • Baaaaased

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    • …This is a page about phainon’s skills and abilities. Please take your complaints somewhere else, like twitter or something.

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    • TL:DR “I am unbearable”

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      • Yea, I can tell. no need to beat yourself too hard over it 😊

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      • “truth hurts”

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    • nah I hate amphoreus cast especially sloptorice and shitnon

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    • Bro, you need more help than Phainon.

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    • What if I dislike every character you mentioned there?

      ● I’m not a female, but I hate Firefly and how forced she is. I consider her not only garbage character, but easily the worst written one out of major ones. She is the definition of the word slop.
      ● I couldn’t care less for Castorice herself and her gp is a cancer precedent that is totally not something that will reappear again in the future. The only positive I can say about this forgettable character is thst she is better written than Fireflop. Not s high bar though. Random NPC in quest can claim thr same.
      ● I hate Boringvin Kaslna for being the most overrated and overhyped boring shit as well. His fanbase being as obnoxious as they are, isn’t helping me like this bland tasting slice of bread either.

      What now, senpai? Am I to be called misogynist or gay for not falling for forced waifus such as Firefly and Rice? Or am I an incel and homophobe for thinking that that Boringnon is as interesting as wet paper?

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    • it’s just a game, calm down and be nice to ppl
      positivity goes a long way

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    • this is not something normal people ever even think about let alone write massive speeches on get a job

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    • Respectfully and genuinely,

      Please seek help

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    • This is just your waifu/husbando is shit mine is superior thats been happening since the dawn of dubbed anime this isn’t anything special.

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    • you need a white padded cell and a nice comfy straight jacket. this is not normal behaviour. this is not something a mentally healthy and stable person does. please, for your own good, seek geniuene professional help. its not too late.

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    • malding over pixels…

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    • imagine writing whole essay along the lines of “your husbandos/waifus suck, mine isn’t”

      go outside, touch grass, drink water. idk.

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    • This is a video game composed of pixels. Please see a therapist.

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    • This is honestly funny how you have this much time in one day not to make suggestions about his kit or express dislike about his buffs, but to literally hate on and downgrade your mental capacity by insulting a fictional character who doesn’t even exist. The fact you wasted who knows how much time just to write this pile of dog on this forum, is making me think that you probably need a personal diary if you have no outlet to these baseless emotions..

      Not everybody likes Castorice. I like her storyline and design, but her character and her mental capacity are already sort of crap, and she is already a catalyst for thirsty men on the internet (which I am assuming is you) which is honestly sad because she is meta and has so much more depth to her.

      Going off of this logic, most “fujoshis” are mad because hoyo clearly dumped all their funding into his design and animation, and yet are clearly nerfing his kit in the worst way possible, compared to the constant buff castorice got during her beta. This will not only seriously decline their revenue but it’s also unironically stabbing themselves in the leg with such a missed opportunity.

      Its true that his kit is bad, but the least hoyo can do is try to buff him before his release and not give us another missed opportunity for a male meta character in the lineup of countless females.

      Im frankly surprised you’re trying to hate on him when you could clearly push for an opportunity to get him buffed and not make Starrail another female gacha game among the many lines of them. It’s getting boring.

      The way you feel about him and his fans is frankly a personal problem and the fact you’re so comfortable having thousands of people see you literally crash out and display your obvious anger issues openly is quite concerning and i propose you take a deep breath and try to find the deeper root of your mental problems 😭 Phainon is a fictional character who is not even real yet you are fighting for your life to defend a claim that isn’t even rational. Talk about otaku…

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    • fair point.

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    • I don’t think you have any room to call someone annoying when you wrote a whole essay over a fictional character and their fans

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